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Old October 12, 2009, 07:16 PM   #1
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870 express tactical overhaul

Remington 18.5" barrell with tritium rifle sights BLACKHAWK! collapsible stock, Tacstar 7 shot Mag extension
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Old October 12, 2009, 08:47 PM   #2
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Tactical is what you can do with a shotgun, not what you bolt on it.

JMHO, YMMV...

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Old October 12, 2009, 08:53 PM   #3
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Old October 12, 2009, 11:19 PM   #4
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Some 'tactical' shooting classes will probably do you better then bolting on some 'tacticool' accessories.
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Old October 15, 2009, 12:28 AM   #5
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wow thanks for all of your A$$Hole replies....
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Old October 15, 2009, 08:12 AM   #6
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Im still wondering where the pictures are
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Old October 15, 2009, 10:54 AM   #7
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Hahaha.
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Old October 15, 2009, 11:01 AM   #8
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Sorry, Cody, but this:

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Some 'tactical' shooting classes will probably do you better then bolting on some 'tacticool' accessories.
is correct, even if you don't like to hear it.

Sounds like you've set it up fine so long as it works, but the proof is in the shooting. Even taking it out for some skeet will help you learn to shoot the thing (even if you will get odd looks, and you WILL get them, I do with my 870 Tac-2). Otherwise, all you have done is spent money on looks. You need to know and be able to employ it.
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Old October 15, 2009, 02:09 PM   #9
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well i guess ense everybody is assumeing i have no knowledge on how to use a firearm, i must be some idiot huh? i cant show off what my shotgun looks like because im just going to get lectured of how i apparently i cant shoot according to yall ***
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Old October 15, 2009, 02:30 PM   #10
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Codycac...

... after you've been around the forum a while, you'll see why these responses become the norm. An awful lot of posters show pics of the most overly modified weapons you could imagine, then let drop that it's their first gun.

The assumption sort of becomes that posters who introduce themselves by showing a hot-rodded gun probably aren't experienced shooters. Most folks here have gained experience on pretty straightforward weapons before starting to mod things.

It's entirely possible that you know what you're doing, and that you can shoot just fine, and that this tac shotgun is just the newest piece in your collection. If so, you have my apologies on behalf of the others.

But like I said, watch the posts, and you'll see why people make the assumptions they do. For entertainment, if you haven't already, do a search on "Mall Ninja".

Oh, BTW, even when others provoke you, don't use terms like a$$hole, etc, or you may draw unwanted attention from the moderators. Remember the NFL, very often the ref doesn't see the first punch or shove, but flags the guy who responds for the personal foul.

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Old October 15, 2009, 02:40 PM   #11
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well i guess ense everybody is assumeing i have no knowledge on how to use a firearm, i must be some idiot huh? i cant show off what my shotgun looks like because im just going to get lectured of how i apparently i cant shoot according to yall ***
OK, I'll bite.

1) If you want to be treated as someone who is intelligent and competent, it might help to type in regular sentences with proper capitalization and punctuation. While you might well have all kinds of firearm experience, all we can go on is how you behave here. Typing like you are IM'ing your buddies generally doesn't come across as erudite.

1a) Neither does resorting to insults.

2) Instead of just saying what you did, try explaining why you made the additions, what you hope to gain from making the additions, and how you feel they have changed the feel of the gun. I have a Blackhawk/Knoxx stock on my 870 Tac-2, and it's one thing to say that you have one. It's quite another to say that you added one and felt that it really tamed recoil while helping control the shotgun by providing a somewhat more effective geometry for the trigger hand even though a good cheek weld is harder to get (all are true in my experience). Just coming in and announcing you added a bunch of bolt ons without saying how they work in practice just tend to make us look at a poster as though they learned everything they need to know about firearms from Counterstrike instead of somebody who is actually out running ammo through the thing.

3) Knowing and having experience with a firearm doesn't automatically translate to being able to employ a tricked out firearm as an actual weapon. Training helps. Even if you can't afford the time or cost of a real combat class, taking a shotgun out to a skeet/trap/sporting clays club for a few rounds will help you understand and gain familiarity with the thing. Want to feel like you can use it "fo' reals?" Take that pump gun and have at some skeet doubles- you get to work on leading a moving target, hitting a small target, engaging multiple targets, and learning how to pump it fast without short stroking, and you'll do that ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

4) Still no pics.

Still, dude, you may want to ditch the aggressive attitude- such things don't go over well here. We're quite welcoming of those with less politically correct firearms (heck, some of us are all about them), but stomping around like you're king of everything that goes bang usually translates to a short tenure.
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Old October 15, 2009, 03:01 PM   #12
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Well said, above 2 posters.
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Old October 15, 2009, 03:03 PM   #13
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some on here don't want to answer your questions, they'd rather use the words "tacticool" and stuff. You're considered a heretic if your shotgun doesn't look like theirs.
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Old October 15, 2009, 03:24 PM   #14
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I personally just don't understand the purpose of the thread...

Is no one else wondering this?

He made a thread, named a shotgun, listed a couple accessories, and that was it. No pictures, no questions, no request for comments or remarks... never even once said that he put them on his shotgun. He literally just named a shotgun and two accessories you can buy for it.

Hell I can ramble off random weapons and accessories too and make a thread of it.

Get out of here troll.
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Old October 15, 2009, 03:57 PM   #15
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xjmox14x...

... take another look at the OP; there's a broken little icon at the far right.

I've seen that before, back when I hadn't learned how to post a photo on TFL. My guess is the OP tried to attach a pic, but did it incorrectly. Having done it myself, I know it's easy to do.

Codycac, in order to post a pic here, you need to set up a photobucket or similar account. You then use the picture icon in the toolbar when you are setting up your post, copy the web address of the photo from your website, and paste it into the bar that will pop up when you click the photo icon.

Just trying to copy and paste does not work with TFL.

Good luck,

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Old October 15, 2009, 04:54 PM   #16
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OK, I'll bite.

1) If you want to be treated as someone who is intelligent and competent, it might help to type in regular sentences with proper capitalization and punctuation. While you might well have all kinds of firearm experience, all we can go on is how you behave here. Typing like you are IM'ing your buddies generally doesn't come across as erudite.

1a) Neither does resorting to insults.

2) Instead of just saying what you did, try explaining why you made the additions, what you hope to gain from making the additions, and how you feel they have changed the feel of the gun. I have a Blackhawk/Knoxx stock on my 870 Tac-2, and it's one thing to say that you have one. It's quite another to say that you added one and felt that it really tamed recoil while helping control the shotgun by providing a somewhat more effective geometry for the trigger hand even though a good cheek weld is harder to get (all are true in my experience). Just coming in and announcing you added a bunch of bolt ons without saying how they work in practice just tend to make us look at a poster as though they learned everything they need to know about firearms from Counterstrike instead of somebody who is actually out running ammo through the thing.

3) Knowing and having experience with a firearm doesn't automatically translate to being able to employ a tricked out firearm as an actual weapon. Training helps. Even if you can't afford the time or cost of a real combat class, taking a shotgun out to a skeet/trap/sporting clays club for a few rounds will help you understand and gain familiarity with the thing. Want to feel like you can use it "fo' reals?" Take that pump gun and have at some skeet doubles- you get to work on leading a moving target, hitting a small target, engaging multiple targets, and learning how to pump it fast without short stroking, and you'll do that ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

4) Still no pics.

Still, dude, you may want to ditch the aggressive attitude- such things don't go over well here. We're quite welcoming of those with less politically correct firearms (heck, some of us are all about them), but stomping around like you're king of everything that goes bang usually translates to a short tenure.
SO what about excesively long rants criticizing a guy sounds as if he A)won't listen B)Does NOT care C) and are generally condescending in manner? Just curious?
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Old October 15, 2009, 08:34 PM   #17
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SO what about excesively long rants criticizing a guy sounds as if he A)won't listen B)Does NOT care C) and are generally condescending in manner? Just curious?
So joining up to a board, talking a big game before establishing that you do in fact know what you're talking about, and then getting insulting and aggressive when people tell you that the operator matters more than the equipment is just fine?

You know, you aren't worth the response I had here.

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Old October 15, 2009, 09:07 PM   #18
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I would like to see pictures...Im new here myself, so if your hyped on your gun, then thats good enough for me.
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Old October 15, 2009, 11:51 PM   #19
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Techno...I think the guy got mad because of the CONDESCENDING manner of your rant. I know I dont take kindly to when people ASSUME I am an idiot. I learned on a single shot H&H .410 and worked my way up to my 870(I have shot Benelis and several brans of Over and Unders but nothing beats that 870).

I think there is a lesson here...if you cant say something nice then dont say anything at all. The guy DID post a picture of his gun, it did not show up. Not to mention the subject was Tac overhaul on an 870. Does the skill of the opperatior REALLY matter in the discussion? I mean if we are talking using the gun and how worthless certain features are then it DOES apply, but this is simply parts added on by the user and him showing it off a little bit. I think he was justified in calling people out for their responses.
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Old October 16, 2009, 05:59 PM   #20
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This is teetering on the brink of The Abyss Of Deletion.

Everyone play nice.

A couple things,including opinions....

I come down hard on some folks' choice of accessories and even their choice of shotgun. That's when they try and substitute gadgetry for practice.

High round counts build proficiency and nothing else does.

I hope I do it without the poster thereof feeling attacked.

At the same time, if something enables you to get on the targets faster, better and/or in more comfort, go for it. As long as empty hulls are hitting the ground near you, fine.

I do think the best accessory for a new shotgun and shooter is a case or six of light loads, not anythng made by Knoxx, Wilson, Vang or Hi Viz.

Next, range tickets. A few fast sets of doubles at trap skeet or SC will show, as mentioned above, just how well you and your tool can function on small targets moving fast in pairs. And it's more fun than grinding out skill levels on a video game.

And for the record, those opinions are backed by 50 years of shotgunning, and a round count well into 5,maybe 6, figures.

Also, most of the shotguns here at Casa McC show consideral tweaking and some mods. Those happened after the wear marks started.

Dismounting from pulpit....
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Old October 16, 2009, 06:26 PM   #21
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Dave McC..thats very impressive..50yrs of shooting ! I would agree with everything you've said..not because I have anything close to you in regards to time..but rather common sense in your statements.

I am a terrible skeet shooter...I need a lot more practice for sure and I hope I can develope into something respectable.

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Old October 16, 2009, 10:18 PM   #22
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Techno...I think the guy got mad because of the CONDESCENDING manner of your rant. I know I dont take kindly to when people ASSUME I am an idiot. I learned on a single shot H&H .410 and worked my way up to my 870(I have shot Benelis and several brans of Over and Unders but nothing beats that 870).
Reread the thread. He went ballistic before I ever posted.


People can dress up their gun any way they want, and I really don't care. But the simple fact remains that accessories do not a warrior make. If you can't employ the weapon effectively (being able to maneuver with it and hit targets with it), you've wasted your money and are more dangerous to yourself than to anybody else.

Complain about tone all you like; if you think my post was the height of condescension and the one in particular to call out, well dude, I don't know what to say to you other than get over it.
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Old October 16, 2009, 10:38 PM   #23
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Defense of Codycac

First, I'm pretty sure the guy was just trying to post a picture, and say hey look what I did, but he used the wrong procedure and the pic didn't attach. I know from firsthand experience that TFL does not let one post pics the way most of have been used to doing with other applications, and the first time I tried to post a pic, I had the same thing happen.

Second, the guy didn't say, "Hey look, now I can shoot because I've modified my shotgun." He never made any comment whatever.

A bunch of regular TFL posters then took it upon themselves to lecture the guy about a claim he had never made, in absence of any information at all about the guy or his abilities. It was really very obnoxious, starting with Lee Lapin (who is usually more constructive) and getting worse from that point.

So next thing you know, Codycac responds with an expletive, because he feels he's being talked down to. In fact, he was justified in feeling that way.

So some more posts criticized him, telling him that he needs to worry more about practice, and less about mods.

The guy has still not said anything about thinking the mods would make him a stud. Posters in the thread built that strawman from scratch.

So, Codycac comes up and points out the obvious, which is that none of the people criticizing him have any idea whether he can shoot. He's dead on in that assessment. None of us know how well he shoots. Please note that he has STILL not made any claim about "the modifications make the man." Other posters are STILL making that strawman.

To beat this dead horse a bit more: All the guy did was try to post a pic, which didn't take. He then took flack from a bunch of people over claims he never made, and when he took offense at that, he was both lectured and belittled.

Sorry, guys, for all I know the guy could be a jerk, and he may not know how to shoot - but I can't make any such determination from anything he posted here. OTOH, a bunch of people jumped all over the guy based on zero information and a whole lot of assumptions.

It was embarrassing.
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Old October 16, 2009, 10:43 PM   #24
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This thread needs more "tactical" shotgun pics:
Here are my "twins". The tan one is my go-to gun and the one I have run in Louis' classes.
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Old October 16, 2009, 11:14 PM   #25
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Not wanting to start a new thread and trying to salvage this thread...I just bought an 870 Express, it's my first shotgun I've owned but certainly not the first shotgun I have fired. My question is this...I am wondering what practical use a Collapsable Stock is? I like the Pistol Grip Stock, but am wondering if having it collapse has any practical benefit (although i do see that it will fit into my Drag Bag if I do collapse it). I have also noticed that there seems to be a number of different Pistol Grip Stocks...collapsable or not, can someone direct me to a quality brand? If I were to get a 6 shot saddle mount...which side of the shotgun does it attach to, if I am a Lefty Shooter? Lastly (for now) it came with a Choke installed...the guy told me it was a Standard Choke, but couldn't tell me what that meant...it is capable of hunting fowl, etc.? Any help would be...uh, helpful. Thanks.
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