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Old October 7, 2009, 05:09 PM   #1
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Is it legal for Census workers to carry a concealed weapon?

I was thinking about applying for a temporary census position to pick up a bit of extra cash, but then someone said census workers could not CC.

Now I was curious about the legalities of CCW on peoples private property, but it never occurred to me that I wouldn't be able to CC as a census worker. If you can't CC as a census worker then I'm not sure the extra cash would be worth my life.

Are census workers really not allowed to CC?

Does anyone know the legalities of this or where I could find them out?

Thanks,
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Old October 7, 2009, 05:45 PM   #2
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Generally, the feds insist that their employees not be armed while on the payroll. CCW on private property is left up to the individual state/county/municipality, not the fed government.
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Old October 7, 2009, 05:45 PM   #3
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As far as I know there is no Federal Law against it, but it is Policy that they do not CCW.
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Old October 7, 2009, 05:51 PM   #4
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If any part of the job involves entering a federal building, it would not be legal to carry there.

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Old October 7, 2009, 06:02 PM   #5
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I was thinking more of the door to door job, not a desk job, so carrying into a federal building shouldn't be an issue.

So, if it's a "policy" basically what that means is I just need to make sure I stay within local city/country/state laws?

What if during the training they specifically state employees are NOT to carry concealed weapons?

I assume all they can do is fire you if they find out. Correcto?

I also assume I'd never need to use it, that if anyone finds out about it it's not a "concealed weapon" and that if I ever needed it I wouldn't give a crap about any of this?
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Old October 18, 2009, 04:51 PM   #6
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After the killing in Ky I would certainly be packing.
Your own safety is your responsibility, the feds won't be there when things go bad will they?
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Old October 21, 2009, 02:17 AM   #7
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Your job isn't worth your life. $12 an hour (for a temp job!) isn't enough to die for.

The Federal Government insists that everybody (becides themselves) be unarmed.
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Old October 21, 2009, 08:23 PM   #8
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"The Federal Government insists that everybody (becides themselves) be unarmed."

That is demonstrably untrue. And arguably irrelevant, in that the topic is can certain federal employees be armed as opposed to non-federal employees.
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Old October 22, 2009, 12:53 AM   #9
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As long as THEY dont find it!
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Old October 31, 2009, 11:21 PM   #10
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Just what we need. People who work for Acorn carring guns doing census work.
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Old November 1, 2009, 12:16 AM   #11
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Just what we need. People who work for Acorn carring guns doing census work.


Anyway, as long as you're not found to be carrying in a federal building, or you violate some other carry rule, then yes, the most they should be able to do is can you. They might not even do that unless there was a reason. You might want to consider talking to the next person up the chain of command, and discreetly inquiring about personal protection while working. Though some supervisors may have a stick up their ass, many would probably understand your concerns perfectly after the murder in Kentucky.
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Old April 27, 2010, 07:24 PM   #12
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I have yet to figure it out...

I just started my census enumerator training. I have browsed through all the manuals, handbooks, even the "ethics" guide and the only mention I can find anywhere about handguns, or any weapons, is a reminder that weapons are not allowed on federal property. If they aren't outright going to tell me I can't, then I don't see a problem with it.
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Old April 27, 2010, 10:02 PM   #13
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After the killing in Ky I would certainly be packing.
It was NOT a killing. It was a suicide.

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Old April 28, 2010, 05:36 PM   #14
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At the time of the posting it was a "killing" per the Ky state police.
Check your dates Jim.
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Old April 28, 2010, 08:34 PM   #15
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After the killing in Ky I would certainly be packing.
Thanks KyJim, you beat me to the punch on this one........... but its worth repeating, it was a suicide, not a killing.
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Old April 28, 2010, 08:52 PM   #16
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At the time of the posting it was a "killing" per the Ky state police.
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Old May 29, 2010, 11:35 AM   #17
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I just started my census enumerator training. I have browsed through all the manuals, handbooks, even the "ethics" guide and the only mention I can find anywhere about handguns, or any weapons, is a reminder that weapons are not allowed on federal property. If they aren't outright going to tell me I can't, then I don't see a problem with it.
I, also, started my census training in February. Nothing was said during training nor did I see any mention of personal weapons in the handbooks, manuals, etc. beyond what you cited. A couple of weeks ago I had my crew leader with me and we had to enter a federal post office. He saw me slip my handgun out of its holster and secure it in my car before going inside. Afterwards, he told me just as an FYI that the people in the regional headquarters were very adamant about census workers not being allowed to carry whether they had a CCW endorsement or not. He didn't care, personally, as he has a CCW endorsement himself. But he did want me to know that it was against policy as expressed by the regional office.

I asked where that policy originated. Is it in federal law? Census regulations? Or is it just something that regional decided to quietly implement without any publicity? He couldn't tell me, only that he'd been told CCW was not allowed.

They had census workers last phase going into campgrounds at night, hobo jungles, "empty" buildings, etc. looking for transients. I told him that if he thought I was going to do that job unarmed, well, a part time job ain't worth my life. He said he understood but just wanted me to know. I've still not seen anything in writing one way or another regarding such a ban.
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Old May 29, 2010, 01:12 PM   #18
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As Brolin said, they tell census workers not to carry. They do not outright tell them they are prohibited from carrying.
I was a CB team leader and trainer in 1990, that was the policy then. I carried pepper spray and used it once on a dog.
I have a friend who is strong 2ndA and a licensed CCW carrier. He is currently working for CB and has been 'advised' not to carry. He does.
IMHO, it is unlikely charges would be brought if a weapon was used in accordance with the law for self-protection. The public outrage would be incredible.
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Old May 29, 2010, 10:25 PM   #19
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Unless there is a prohibition in the Code of Federal Regulations, CCW would only be regulated by the state(s) in which you would be carrying. You would not have any federal protections, including if you had to defend yourself. Bottom line, you do so at your own peril.
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Old June 27, 2010, 09:31 AM   #20
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I was working for the censes dept. I also have a Concealed Handgun License (CHL) in Texas. I was called to a meeting with my CL. I was told that someone told her that I had a XHL. I asked who told her that and she told me that she would not tell me. I had a feeling that I was going to be fired so I got all the names and telephone no's of people in her chain of command. I then asked her if she didn't believe in the second amendment. She jumped up and went out side and called someone, and then she came back and asked if I had all my equipment. I said, "Am I being fired"? She grabbed my bag Jumped up and left. She was gone before I could get outside. I went home and filed a complaint with the EEOC. We will see what happens.
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Old June 27, 2010, 10:11 AM   #21
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There is no federal law, but there is policy.

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Seattle Times, June 26, 2010

"Steven Jost, a spokesman for the Census Bureau, said it is unlikely that the policy prohibiting census workers from carrying weapons will be rescinded."
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Old June 27, 2010, 11:07 AM   #22
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Where I work, we have a couple large conference rooms, and yes, it is a Federal building. The census workers were here for one week of training, and looking at many of them, if they came to my door, I would answer with gun in hand behind my back.

Some of these people look like walking road kill.

However, if I was one of them, I would clean myself up and carry concealed. If someone starts shooting at me, I would prefer being fired vs. being boxed up and dropped into the ground.
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Old June 27, 2010, 11:56 AM   #23
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Sounds like a perfect situation to apply the 'Don't ask, Don't Tell' policy.
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Old June 27, 2010, 12:44 PM   #24
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You may need a bigger gun!

Fairbanks man accused of threatening Census worker with bulldozer

FAIRBANKS — A Fairbanks man has been accused of threatening a U.S. Census worker with a bulldozer.


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Old June 27, 2010, 07:11 PM   #25
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My kid was one of those census workers until he had to take off for his (NG) AT.

He deliberately asked to work the far reaches of the county so he could steal one of my guns and do a bit of PD shooting going to and from.

Nobody said a thing..........but this is Wyoming.
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