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Old September 26, 2009, 11:00 PM   #1
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Browning Hi-Power vs. Beretta M92FS

I am looking at purchasing a 9mm semi-automatic pistol and have narrowed the list down to the Browning Hi-Power Standard and the Beretta M92FS. Both are excellent guns with great reputations for reliability and accuracy. Each has its own flaws but I am having a very hard time deciding and would like to hear from people who have used or own both. I understand the features are different and some would say they are each in a different class, but really what I am looking for is overall opinions of both.

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Old September 27, 2009, 01:28 AM   #2
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I think it really boils down to do you want a DA/SA or a SAO pistol?
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Old September 27, 2009, 01:41 AM   #3
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Well, one is a big, clunky D/A gun-and the other is a sleek, trim S/A gun.
One is a classic and the other is, well-a big, clunky gun.
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Old September 27, 2009, 01:56 AM   #4
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Very different pistols in the hand...>

Have you shot both? If not, if would probably be worthwhile to hire them to try. That's what I did, along with quite a number of other pistols, before making a decision.

The Beretta is a big pistol and requires a large-ish hand to comfortably reach the double action trigger. The size ruled it out for me. The BHP, whilst a full-size pistol with a double stack magazine, is quite compact and does suit smaller hands very well. The BHP had been my first choice and it remained my choice after shooting a variety of other pistols, both single and double action. It fits the hand very well. The only other pistol type I shot that matched it for me was the 1911.

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Old September 27, 2009, 02:37 AM   #5
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It's been said that, "John Browning hit a Home Run when he designed the 1911. He hit a Grand Slam when he designed the Hi Power." I happen to agree.

So you must ask yourself if you wish to shoot, own, carry a handgun designed to correct the flaws of the 1911, or a crunchenticker designed for Lord only knows what. Do you want a battle proven weapon used by 63 different countries since 1935 or a monstrosity that should be dropped and left in the nearest hole?

I guess you can tell which handgun I favor. If not, I'll spell it out for you.

Hi Power

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Old September 27, 2009, 04:55 AM   #6
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I'm issued an M9 but I own a BHP. You can make the BHP grip much thinner which is what I did; fits me like a glove. I think it really comes down to handling and whether you want DA/SA or SA. I like carrying my BHP in condition one. My issued M9 is a little worn out but I know Beretta makes an accurate pistol...it's just to big to carry concealed.

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Old September 27, 2009, 05:08 AM   #7
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Had the pleasure of shooting an M9 again the other day. I have a medium size hand and I must say that certain gigantic clunker is very comfortable to shoot.

I'm not the brightest guy, but you did say you wanted opinions, and I think such a large weapon with a small caliber is very easy and comfortable to put holes in paper. Holes in paper is the key phrase. Unless you have a shoulder rig, a M92 will not hide well.

If you want a 9mm handgun for home defense and range plinking, a Beretta M9 is perfect. If you want something you want to carry with you daily and discreetly, go for the BHP.

Good luck in your choice.

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Old September 27, 2009, 05:20 AM   #8
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I like both the BHP and the Beretta. Both I think can be called battle proven fighting pistols. Both have similar capacities. Both are accuarate. Magazine availability is way better for the Beretta but the HP is not far behind with excellent magazines from MecGar.

I have both the HP and the Beretta. Believe it or not I conceal carry both of them. I carry the Beretta more often though. I have nicknamed it my "Dog Walking Gun" because that is when I carry it most often. The HP is the gun I choose for "serous business" usually involving road trips somewhere. It carries better for me in the car.

Like has been said previously the Beretta is big and clunky and the HP is sleek and trim. I find I like the HP trigger with mag interlock left alone. It is crisper w/o but its just fine for carry purposes as is. The DA/SA of the Beretta also has its strengths. If concealability is an issue then it is a no brainer in favor of the BHP. If you prefer DA/SA or SAO then make the decision based on that. Other than that though flip the coin
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Old September 27, 2009, 05:30 AM   #9
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The Browning Hi Power is perfectly sized for the 9MM round. Its sleek, elegant, accurate and reliable. Its also a soft shooting gun due to its all steel design.
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Old September 27, 2009, 07:14 AM   #10
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The Browning was the first CF semi auto that I ever had the chance to fire, lo, those many years ago. I knew as soon as I pointed it that I wanted to own one. I do and have never had a second thought about it nor have I had the slightest desire to own any of the newer 9mms that have become available. Though I have been able to shoot many newer 9s, I have never yet had the "I want one of these" reactions that I had to the HP. (the only other gun that I had the same feeling for was the 1911. Guess that I like classic guns).
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Old September 27, 2009, 11:21 AM   #11
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Still undecided

Thanks for the input. It seems many of you have strong feelings in favor of the BHP. Both are excellent guns. DA/SA, vs. SAO really has no bearing over my decision, I happen to like both. My Sig is DA/SA and that is still my favorite gun. I would say that the M9 is better looking but that also really has no bearing. I have been blessed with a large hand so both guns feel comfortable in my grip with no problem reaching the DA on the M9.

I would still love to hear some more opinions. I have at least a month before my permit comes through so I still can do more research.

Thanks again.

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Old September 27, 2009, 02:12 PM   #12
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Guntest just compared these two.

They gave the hi-power a D, for a 10 lb single action trigger, a mag safety, and accuracy.

They gave the the Berretta a B.

http://www.gun-tests.com/

The hi-power is a great gun, but it is in a sever need of being modernized.

If I were you I would forget the hi-power order a CZ 75 single action from the CZ custom shop with a trigger job. It will cost about the same as the berretta or hi power and be a much better gun.

http://czcustom.com/
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Old September 27, 2009, 04:47 PM   #13
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"Gun Tests" ha!
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Old September 27, 2009, 05:04 PM   #14
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Gun Tests" ha!
So you think a 10 lb single action trigger on a almost $1000 gun is acceptable?

Not to mention the BHP hammer bite issues, crapola mag disconect safety, and Ok accuracy?

For that much you could get a EAA witness that would shoot rings around the BHP.
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Old September 27, 2009, 05:13 PM   #15
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They are both excellent weapons, as long as you steer clear of the clones by FN, Taurus etc..
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Old September 27, 2009, 05:21 PM   #16
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I was issued the M9 when I was in the USMC. While I was in, I never really appreciated what a great gun it was. When it came down to buying a 9mm, I went with the Hi-Power. Primarily because it was a classic, seemed to outshoot every M9 I qualified with, and was a much slimmer gun in comparison. The only issue with the Browning was that I could never get used to the "square" feeling of the grip. I was actually more comfortable the Beretta's the larger grip. It was more natural feeling, even though I don't have large hands. Looking back, I think I might have been better off with the 92FS.

Of course, I wounded up trading the Hi-Power in for yet another 1911
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Old September 27, 2009, 08:00 PM   #17
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Hello. In the end, it will be your decision and I frankly doubt that much said here will make that much of a difference when decision-time's at hand and you are reaching for your wallet; it will be what you personally prefer or believe will serve you best.

I have seen many examples of each on various lines during my years as a police firearm instructor and both "run" very reliably with quality ammunition and magazines. Both are more than accurate enough for self-protection though it is likely one will be easier for you to shoot better than the other.

Sadly, the Hi Power's trigger-pull out of the box is usually less-than-stellar. This can be fixed of course, and for some of us it is definitely worth it, but I wish that it came lighter and cleaner as the rule...rather than the exception. Others see it as a dated design that should be replaced and coupled with the often heavy/gritty trigger and price, opt to go with something else. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion but IF the Hi Power happens to be RIGHT in everything but that, I'm willing to pay for the improvements as I intend to use the gun over lengthy time-frames, but what matters is what you think; both are well-made arms. My personal preference by a long shot is the Hi Power, but that is just my decision based on four decades of using them. I couldn't care less about the "grade" someone else assigned an example of this sleek breed.

Sooner or later someone usually chimes in about the Hi Power being picky about feeding anything but FMJ. That changed in the '80's with the introduction of the Mk II. Today's Mk III's will feed about any JHP I've ever tried in them; so will the Beretta 92 pistols.

Pistol designs and this vs. that frequently get into shouting matches like the caliber wars thing but in my opinion, either of these two are capable performers. One is bulkier but offers slightly greater capacity, DA (if that's important to you) and no magazine disconnect to worry with. The other is easier to conceal but does have "only" a 13-shot 9mm magazine capacity and requires cocked-and-locked carry for immediate readiness, something that some folks just don't care for; for others, this carry mode is preferred. It also has something like half the internal parts of the Beretta.

What counts is what you prefer.


Handguns can be laws unto themselves (but to lesser extremes than accurate rifles in my view) as to what they will or will not group with, some more than others. This particular Mk III 9mm in factory trim proved itself plenty mechanically accurate enough for my perceived needs. These groups were shot from a seated position with both hands braced and in slow-fire; no effort at speed.


At 25-yds, this Hi Power shot 124-gr. Federal AE FMJ plenty good enough for me. I suspect (but cannot prove) that it would group tighter from a machine rest where my human error was not introduced into the equation.


"Hammer-bite" has been mentioned and I fall victim to it as well. For me, what has worked nicely has been to bob the spur hammer at the second lateral serration, bevel the edges and cold blue. Another solution has been to use a C&S Type I abbreviated ring hammer. Other methods are available as well IF it turns out to be worth the effort for you. It very well may not be.

Good luck in your search and whatever decision you make, I hope the handgun you choose serves you well, but I suggest that you make your decision based on what you personally believe is best for your situation.

Best to you and yours.

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Old September 27, 2009, 09:00 PM   #18
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I think both are good guns. Out of the box, I'd give the edge to the Beretta. However, if you're willing to put some work into it, I think the Hi-Power can really shine.

My biggest issue with the Hi-Power is the thumb safety. My experience has been that it's not very positive and I believe it's also ambidextrous on all current production pistols. I've found it easy to accidentally brush off and needless to say that doesn't given me a warm and fuzzy feeling about carrying the pistol cocked a locked. Of course, this can be fixed.
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If that's what they got, I won't second guess. My own HP has a perfectly satisfactory SA trigger. I've never had it weighed but the poundage has never seemed out of the ordinary.
I wonder what folk mean by a "dated design". It works. It's accurate. It is ergonomic. Shoots a currently available and common cartridge. What is the issue? The disconnect? Not a problem for this shooter.
What else?
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Kinda depends on who is shooting the guns, doncha think?
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Old September 28, 2009, 01:12 AM   #20
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alfack: They are both excellent weapons, as long as you steer clear of the clones by FN, Taurus etc..
Uh...FN IS the original manufacturer of the Hi Power. Browning Arms is just an importer of guns made by FN (Fabrique National).
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Old September 28, 2009, 02:25 AM   #21
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Beretta 92 all the way. Don't listen to the folks who say it's a big gun, too big to conceal. It's not. If you can conceal a 1911 or a glock 17, you can conceal a beretta 92. Just dress around the gun, as you would do for any CCW weapon. The beretta is a damn accurate and reliable platform and has a relaible track record.
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Old September 28, 2009, 03:01 AM   #22
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For me, BHP. I've been issued the M9 and have should many, many rounds through it (more than enough to instill confidence in the design), but for all-around use (Military, CCW, HD) the BHP gets the vote. The M9 is just a tad thick for my CCW tastes.

Hate the mag disconnect? A few bucks, a visit to your local smith and it's gone and a much better trigger.

Alfack: I believe you're referring to FM.

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Old September 28, 2009, 06:11 AM   #23
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I agree with the poster above. I love my 92FS. I changed out the hammer to a skeletonized one. Made it a crisper trigger break. And, changed the hammer spring to a "D" spring.

My 92FS is my concealed carry. Works great. Carry it all the time.

I'd rather have a DA/A gun than a SA gun when it comes to carry. MY DAppull isn't that heavy anymore because of the changes I made.

If I wanted a SA gun, I'd carry a 1911.
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Old September 28, 2009, 08:55 AM   #24
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Although I used both of these guns, I could only humbly mention my point of view, especially after Mr. Camps.

I just want to mention a few things about these two "proven pistols" (I would guess no argument there), that "I think", are the tricky issues.
Not that nobody mentioned before of course, just to underline the importance of issues that somehow seem small to many people, but I think they are not.

I do not think 92 series grip is for every hand. I have medium sized hands but every time I set my hands upon the gun I simply could not control the gun comfortably. So I would humbly advise to be sure about how comfortable is the grip for you. If not, and if it will not be a safe queen, then do not buy it. I made this mistake and I eventually had to sell this beautiful gun. (Although I regret it)

I also think trigger of BHP is an important factor for anyone who wants to make this decision. (Out of the box, of course) If you do not want to work (or make someone work) on it, if you "love" SS P series trigger (for example) then think twice...

Other than those, I will bow before knowledge and wisdom and will only say that my first choice would be the High power, now and always...
In the subject of "gun collections" I think, "everyone should own a 92fs"
But if I should choose among these pistols, definitely BHP.


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Old September 28, 2009, 09:49 AM   #25
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Hate the mag disconnect? A few bucks, a visit to your local smith and it's gone and a much better trigger.
Uh, I urge you to read the other thread regarding the removal of the mag disconnect in the BHP and the liabilities incurred.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=372759

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