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Old September 25, 2009, 05:34 PM   #1
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6.5 new compact/lightweight rifle build... initial stages

In process of building up a 6.5 rifle for light weight general purpose use - I have a 260 rem in a T/C encore and am looking for something smaller/lighter and more compact - im definitely sticking with 6.5 which means in this platform im looking at:

6.5 PPC
6.5x39 (7.62x39 necked down to 6.5)
6.5x45 [(6.5x223 - neck up .223 to 6.5) / (6.5 MPC)]
6.5 grendel
6.5/6.8 (6.9spc necked down to 6.5)
6.5/243 WSSM (243 WSSM necked up to 6.5)

Initial thoughts:
1) get a fold-able keltec-su16 and re-barrel in in 6.5x45 (or AR upper in 6.5x45) - but really like the light & fold-able keltec concept
2) perhaps lookin to a cz-527 or savage in 6.5 grendel (small bolt gun)
3) 6.5 grendel in 16" encore (or ar-15 upper)

since i already have a 260 id like to trim off some of the fat, and maybe even pick up a matching AR upper in one of the above obscure calibers...

things im using in my decision making are cost and ammo avail - to which there isnt any in any of these - and id like to keep my brass/case work to a minimum, and not mess with 2 or 3 case forming dies (ruling out the PPC and the 6.5/243 WSSM) but above all im looking for a suitable platform and and welcoming thoughts or suggestions.
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Old September 25, 2009, 06:25 PM   #2
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Tikka T3 - 6.5x55 Swede. Good for everything from yotes to mule deer, I hear they even use the 6.5x55 for moose over in Sweden...
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Old September 25, 2009, 06:40 PM   #3
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I have a 6.5 Grendel and am so impressed with the 24 inch overwatch model that I'm building an 18 inch one. The ballistics are quite impressive as you have already found, and it all fits neatly into an AR15 size weapon.

Of course, the Tikka is a wonderful rifle, and the 6.5 Swede has the same reputation in Europe and much of the world that our 30-06 does over here...
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Old September 25, 2009, 06:44 PM   #4
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a Remington 7600 in 260 would be a sweet setup .
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Old September 25, 2009, 07:57 PM   #5
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Or better yet a Mod. 7 in .260 , they kill like a bolt from the blue and don't weigh anything !
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Old September 25, 2009, 08:29 PM   #6
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perhaps that i should reiterate that I already have a nice 260 remington, that s why i want a smaller setup avail in the same 6.5 cal to save on supplies.

im specifically looking for a 6.5 cartridge that COULD be implemented in an AR-15 platform (ie length compatible), not that im necessarily looking for a semi-auto 6.5 platform [i.e. - it doesn't matter if its an AR, a single shot, bolt action, etc... as long as its compact and light (less than 6.5 lbs) and it its in 6.5 caliber]
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Old September 26, 2009, 01:12 PM   #7
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I had a similar idea, I shopped around for a SU-16A for a light rifle. It can be rebarreled to 6.8 or 6.5 Grendel. The barrel screws on (after the factory lock-tite is melted) and bolt head spacing is set with a lock nut like a Savage. By the time you pay a smith to rebarrel it though you could purchase a rifle in a stronger cartridge and it would be more accurate as well. That problem was solved for me when it took me so long to find my SU-16 that I found a used Browning A-Bolt Mountain Ti that weighs the same, 5 1/2 lb. I figure the SU-16 will stay in 5.56 now. I don't think Browning made one in 260 but Remingtons 700 ti did, another lightweight in 260 is the Kimber Montana. They all weigh less than the CZ-527, I suppose you could find a folding stock for them.

Here's a couple of links on rebarreling a SU-16.

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/Ya...1101766471/1#1

http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/Ya...=1244037542/22
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Old September 26, 2009, 01:27 PM   #8
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An idea I have had in my head,but have not done
Some of the mini-mausers were available in 22-250.That is a .308 bolt face.The mag box length for a 22-250 is plenty for a 7mm Remington Bench rest necked to 6.5.
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Old September 26, 2009, 05:17 PM   #9
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WTH????

6.5 Creedmore? (Lemon Curry?)
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Old September 26, 2009, 06:44 PM   #10
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6.5/284 in an old Model 70 push feed.

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Old September 26, 2009, 09:48 PM   #11
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Huh?

Don't need to go any further than a Ruger Compact SS in 260. 16.5" barrel. SAAWWEEEETTT!
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Old September 27, 2009, 10:25 AM   #12
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I have been hankering for a Mini Mauser in 6.5 grendel. I would like to take a Mini Mauser and put a 18" Middle weight fluted barrel in a nice slim walnut stock and a Leupold 3x9-33 compact scope. I think that this would be a 95%er rifle and would be able to do 95% of my shooting, it would have a heavy enough barrel to handle target and varmint shooting yet the 6.5 should be able to put down most game in the 48 contiguous states, from ground hogs to Elk, if the Swede swear by a 6.5x55 so this should do as well with good shot placement and good close hunting.
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Old September 27, 2009, 10:35 AM   #13
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6.5 grendel is basically the same thing as 6.5 ppc and it is more versatile than the 6.5x39. You can fireform your 7.62x39 into 6.5 grendel. If you want smaller than a .260 then there is no better option in my opinion. It amazes me how many people refuse to read your original post that says you already have a .260. I would not go the 6.5/6.8ppc option as it won't give you many options bullet wise.
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Old September 27, 2009, 10:55 PM   #14
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I had thought about the 6.5/243 WSSM (243 WSSM necked up to 6.5) but discovered that the OAL driven by magazine length prevents productive use of the heavier bullets.
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Old September 28, 2009, 01:59 PM   #15
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wow - lot of cool responses

first I'd like to thanks everyone for their input - still trying to hone my decision - but thanks to several individuals are leaning towards either the 6.5 grendel or the 6.5-45mm (aka SSK industries 6.5 MPC)

link with photo comparison:
http://www.sskindustries.com/6_5mpc.htm

http://www.sskindustries.com/6_5grendel.htm

(not trying to plug SSK)

the only reason im limiting to these is both appear to work good with 120gn bullets, both are smaller and will get complete ignition with a shorter say 16" barrel, both can be built in a AR upper.

Im going for an ultra light 'pack' rifle - some suggested the:

1) keltec su-16 (thanks to Big-Foot on the rebarreling article)
2) Browning A-Bolt Mountain Ti
3) Kimber Montana
4) CZ-527
5) mini-mauser (?)
6) Ruger Compact SS (?)
7) TC encore rifle
8) TC contender carbine
9) AR-15 (if i can find a way to make it very light)


anyone want to add to the list of light guns these would be optimal in - and if anyone knows if any are offered or if after-market folding stock will work on them that would be great. basically looking for light and portable, and as my orig post stated liek the way the keltec folds up - certainly not a tack-driver, but would make a good pack gun for deer and such. an AR would be optimal but most ARs start a pound or more heavier, and dont fold up to fit in a backpack like the keltec.

The semi-auto factor is pretty cool and im leaning towards keltec - however as others have pointed out that the grendel has a fatter case and any "re-barrel" would have to be carefully done as the base of the SU-16 barrel is only 13/16 inch diameter and the larger the case, the less meat at the chamber (dont want a KB)!

Hence the leaning towards the 6.5 MPC (6.5x223) for the primary option on this rifle

su-16 trigger work will also be needed...
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/Ya...num=1141757737



But perhaps this is all too much and there is a simpler solution that ive overlooked... thoughts... anyone?
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Old September 28, 2009, 02:40 PM   #16
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But perhaps this is all too much and there is a simpler solution that ive overlooked... thoughts... anyone?
Another .260 Rem? I know you said you didn't want another one, but this seems to be the best solution IMO... Get a Tikka T3 Lite - .260 Rem and to satisfy your AR hankering try the DPMS - .260 Rem...

Just a thought...
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Old September 28, 2009, 07:00 PM   #17
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Ideas for a light AR. You could buy the carbon frame bushmaster and put a 6.5 grendel barrel and bolt on it.

http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_ca...-c1516m4FT.asp
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Old September 28, 2009, 07:06 PM   #18
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6.5mm Remington BR - a variation of the BR family - can be used in a very short action, all BR variants are easy on powder and are accurate
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Old September 28, 2009, 08:13 PM   #19
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as for the:

1) 260 ar-10 upper (thats the next project) - too heavy for this purpose..

2) ar-15 poly lower - dont think you can get them here in PRK (kalifornia)
plus im really trying to stay away from AR - thats what i like about the keltec - doesnt look "evil" / suffer from stigma (or whatever else those anti-gun people call it) - not looking to 'stand out' carrying an AR about - esp here in CA.

3) looking into "CZ 527 Carbine"

4) id like at very least a repeater so T/C encore/contender are out...

5) no luck on a mini-mauser action, the "Ruger Model M77 MKII Compact Rifle", as well as the Remington Model 799 / Charles Daly 'mini-Mausers' are all discontinued. just worry about getting light weight synthetic stock.
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Old September 28, 2009, 09:24 PM   #20
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http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_ca...C-C15RM4FT.asp

This one is a california legal one. If you ask me I think the kel tec looks more like a gangster gun but nobody asked me so ill just shut up.
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Old September 29, 2009, 11:04 AM   #21
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there is the thing about the keltec thats cool - piston gas system; never did like the AR (direct gas impingement) that $#!t's in its own sandbox


but will look into the bushmaster carbon 15 and the cavalry arms carbon lower
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Old September 29, 2009, 12:57 PM   #22
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?How light do you want to go?

old Sneaky Pete here: Altho you say you don't particularly like the direct gas system of the AR15/M16 family--they work. However my Title above deals with weight. I looked up the weights of the Alexander Arms 6.5 Grendel 14.5" tatical upper @ 4.08 lbs and the 16" Tac. upper @ 4.36 lbs. With a standard AR (dirty) complete lower W/ a 6 position collapsable-- Empty(no ammo) I can't see it going over 6 lbs+/-. I don't know if this would be light enough for you considering the "Dirty" system. I've got a Shooting buddy down here in Miami/Dade that bought a 6.5 Grendel upper for his AR lower and he really likes it and he regularly "Cleans" our 60 & 80 round matches with Hi- X counts. I hope that you can use my information. THANX--SNEAKY
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