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Old September 8, 2009, 09:42 PM   #1
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Which States???

Anybody know if their state waives the CCL training requirement for Active Duty Military members?

Edit: Provided the AD member can provide proof of weapons training.
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Old September 8, 2009, 09:44 PM   #2
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Fl does. You just need a copy of your DD214.
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Old September 8, 2009, 10:14 PM   #3
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Oregon does as long as the DD214 shows small arms training.
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Old September 8, 2009, 11:30 PM   #4
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Georgia has no training requirement, therefor no need for a waiver.
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Old September 8, 2009, 11:45 PM   #5
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To comply with Idaho's training requirements, veterans need only to show a copy of their DD-214 or your discharge. Active service members need only show your military ID. The only caveat, is that a DD will disqualify you from a CWP (18-3302(1)(g)).

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Old September 9, 2009, 06:58 AM   #6
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Virginia also accepts discharge papers for a CHP
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Old September 9, 2009, 07:13 AM   #7
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PA has no training requirement.
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Old September 9, 2009, 10:10 AM   #8
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OK does.
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Old September 9, 2009, 10:52 AM   #9
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You don't get a DD214 until you are separated from the military, and then you are no longer active duty.

In Utah the only requirement is classroom. Range time is at the option of the instructer.
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Old September 9, 2009, 11:38 AM   #10
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Indiana: what's a "training requirement"?
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Old September 9, 2009, 03:03 PM   #11
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Last I read, CO just needs a copy of your most recent weapons qualification form.
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Old September 9, 2009, 07:38 PM   #12
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Quote:
The only caveat, is that a DD will disqualify you from a CWP (18-3302(1)(g)).
A dishonorable discharge prevents you from owning a firearm period correct? Doesn't the firearm form (4473?) include a question regarding dismissal under other than honorable conditions?
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Old September 9, 2009, 09:05 PM   #13
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A dishonorable discharge is the only discharge that disqualifies you from owning a firearm.

This requirement is a bit redundant as a DD is generally only authorized for offenses that are punishable by more than a year in prison. They also may only be adjudged by a general court martial which are the only courts martial authorized to adjudge more than a year of confinement.

A bad conduct discharge is adjudged by either a special or general court martial. A bad conduct discharge does not prohibit firearm ownership unless the offense you were convicted of is punishable by more than a year of confinement.


An other than honorable conditions discharge is an administrative discharge usually issued for misconduct. It can only be imposed, at least in the army, after an administrative hearing before a board of officers or a waiver of the right to a board. It is the most severe characterization that may be imposed administratively. An OTH discharge does not disqualify a person from firearm ownership. It will disqualify someone from almost all VA benefits and federal jobs but not firearm ownership.
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Old September 9, 2009, 09:52 PM   #14
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Good thing I'm looking at an honorable discharge in about 25 more years (I'd like 30+ total). Anything less just seems like a hassle.
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Old September 9, 2009, 10:30 PM   #15
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Don't know who does, but I know Nevada does NOT allow anyone to skip the class/live fire requirement for a CCW. No permit however is required for OC.
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Old September 10, 2009, 12:21 AM   #16
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The question asked, was related to the requirements of servicemen, specifically, active duty servicemen.

What I quoted from 18-3302(1)(g) I.C. was the list of prohibited persons. Is it redundant? Perhaps, but that's the law, as written.

The last sentence (before the sub clauses begin) from Title 18, Chapter 33, Section 2 clause 1 reads: The citizen’s constitutional right to bear arms shall not be denied to him, unless he: which then goes on for sub-clauses (a) through (n). The sub-clause I paraphrased (g), contained the DD exception to the Idaho RKBA. It was relevant to the next part that I wrote.

In clause 13, it lists the types of requirements that a Sheriff may require of you, in order to show familiarity of a firearm, so long as you, the applicant, get to choose which method you want to demonstrate firearms familiarity. Sub-clauses (a) through (g) list the statutory requirements. Of that, relevant to the question, sub-clause (e) states: Presents evidence or equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service; That last part means your DD-214, your Discharge (but not a DD) or your Active Duty ID.

If I had put all of that in my original post on this thread, I'm betting that the same ones that are complaining about including the DD clause, would now say I'm too anal. For the record, this can all be found here.

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Old September 10, 2009, 12:28 AM   #17
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However an active duty can still obtain a DD214 for prior enlistments.
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Old September 10, 2009, 01:27 AM   #18
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Antipitas,
I wasn't flaming, just seeking more understanding. Thanks for the info.
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Old September 10, 2009, 11:18 AM   #19
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Colorado requirements:

(h) Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:

(I) Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service;
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(III) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces within the three years preceding submittal of the application;

(IV) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application;

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In my county, both "DD2-14" & "Active Duty Orders" as listed as acceptable.
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Old September 11, 2009, 11:00 AM   #20
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No training requirements. Fill out the forms, get prints, pay the money, wait a few weeks (usually 2-3 in the eastern side of the state), get permit in mail.

Simple, virtually hassle free, in the side of the state not run by blissninnys with brains rusted shut. Over there, I don't know. The law is the same, but how they treat you might be different. Seattle is a strange place,
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Old September 12, 2009, 05:16 PM   #21
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Texas and Florida for sure.
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Old September 14, 2009, 06:46 AM   #22
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Does anyone know if there is an exception for Active Duty from Wisconsin? last I heard there is still no Concealed Carry. Im stationed in KS and will be returning to Riley in about 2 weeks from a year "vacation" in SWA. I'd like to get an update if possible. Thanks.
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Old September 19, 2009, 06:45 AM   #23
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I found out after I took the class. Oh well, was only 50 bucks and was a nice refresher course.
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