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Old August 30, 2009, 02:50 PM   #1
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Skeet/Sporting Gun

I'm in the market for an O/U and have found the following used guns. I was wanting to spend less that 2K including tax but can't make a decision. Which of these is the best deal?

Beretta Silver Pigeon III Sporting 28" Barrell. $1650.00 (In great shape for used gun) No nicks or scratches anywhere.

Ceasar Guerini Summitt Sporting 30" Barrell. $2400.00 (Like New)

Browning XS (new in box) 30" Barrell. $1850.00
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Old August 30, 2009, 03:33 PM   #2
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The one that fits you and your budget the best. Any of the 3 will last a lifetime.

That said if I had it to do over again I might go for the CG. My brother bought one and I really like it.

At the time I bought my Cynergy there was no place around to hoist a CG and I did not want to go out on a limb and purchase a gun I could not look at. CG also has great customer service.
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Old August 30, 2009, 04:14 PM   #3
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Skeet/Sporting

Let me know where to buy one of the ones you don't buy (particularly the baretta)
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Old August 30, 2009, 09:19 PM   #4
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The Beretta is a very good deal for a Pigeon III.

But.....my choice would be the Browning, also a very good deal.

Can you shot all three? Buy the one that fits.

Good luck and let us know what you get.
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Old August 30, 2009, 09:48 PM   #5
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I'm leaning towards the Beretta. It has the highest drop to comb and drop to heel. I think that is good since I'm tall and thin. I don't know much about gun fit. I usually add about 1/2" to 3/4" to LOP and call it good with my field guns. I guess I need to go get fitted and see which one is closest. Any good rules to fit myself or should I have a pro do it? What would they charge to fit me?

The CG feels great but I'm struggling to justify the extra $750.00.
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Old August 31, 2009, 04:25 AM   #6
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Over on another website: www.shotgunworld.com there is a specific forum for CG owners. They are a dedicated bunch. I'd suggest asking your questions about CG there but remember they are a touch biased.

As far as the drop in the Beretta comb, yes, that is typical, Beretta has a bunch of drop. If that is important, ie. you have a long neck, and it fits, then I say wear it.

Something else to consider. There are many of us here that believe consistancy creates better shooting. Translation, reduce the number of variables from the gun mounting so the gun points the same each time. The chance of putting your cheek down the same is greatly enhanced with a parallel stock gun like the Browning XS.
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Old August 31, 2009, 08:32 AM   #7
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Whichever gun you get, be sure to put an EasyHit Sporting Clays sight on it. It is fabulous:






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Old August 31, 2009, 08:48 AM   #8
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Just remember - while all three are very good, each will fit somewhat differently, so fit should become the deciding factor. Typically, if the Beretta fits, the Browning won't - not a bad thing, just different. If you can't shoot these particular guns first, try to find someone at your local club who has a similar model and try them. You shouldn't see rib, (or the front sight for that matter), only the bird breaking.
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Old August 31, 2009, 08:52 AM   #9
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Not me

As for the tube sight, it is a like it or hate it thing. Rarely do you find a take it or leave it opinion.

It is very personal.

For me. Notice I said, for me. I don't like it. Reason: with the flourecent tube I concentrate on the sight and not the bird (clay or feathered.)

Two beads for me - even on my preferred live bird guns.

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Old August 31, 2009, 10:20 AM   #10
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I agree WE - I borrowed a friend's CG with a LH stock to try it out. he had one of the green glow pipes - While that thing lit up in the sun, I spent more time looking at it and not the bird......not MY thing anyway.
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Old August 31, 2009, 10:59 AM   #11
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You didn't say which Browning XS model it is - there is more than one - but I think all the XS models have parallel combs.

In general, I think a parallel comb gun - will fit the most people. The concept of fit - means it hits where you look. Your eye is the rear sight of a shotgun - being tall and thin doesn't necesarrily mean more drop is a good thing.

I would lean toward the Browning XS ( but it might depend on which model it is ) - does it have an adj comb cut into the comb ?

I think the light pipes are a mistake / distracts your eyes from the target and makes you stop your swing .....
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Old August 31, 2009, 12:59 PM   #12
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I'd go for the Browning and skip the light pipe. I'm a big fan of Brownings - very well made solid guns for the money. Tried a light pipe (magnetic attachment) for about one round of clay shooting and put it away never to be used again. As others have said - too distracting.
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Old August 31, 2009, 05:17 PM   #13
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Well, not one single of you guys ( by your own admission ) has ever used a EasyHit. So much for you badmouthing a product that you have never even tried.

It is not your typical fiber optic sight by any means at all. It is a precision product imported from Sweden. It comes in a total of 3 different lengths, and 3 different bead sizes too. So one can get the exact size and brightness that one prefers.

Tom Knapp strongly endorses it, and uses it on all of his Benelli shotguns at this shows. Here in the drab overcast skies of Western Oregon, this sight is an absolute godsend.

I'll never forget my first time hunting with it. I had the sight on my Winchester Super X2 ( the photo of the camo barrel that I posted ). My buddy and I were hiking to the spot where we planned to put out our decoys. We were a bit late, and while we were traveling along the slough, shooting hours started. So we loaded up our guns and put our safeties on just in case we ran into any birds, and then resumed our hike.

Besides being first shooting light, it was heavily overcast and foggy too.

Well, guess what? Not more than 2 minutes after we load our guns, a small flock of ducks comes tearing right up the slough just over the water. They literally materialized just before our eyes, out of the fog, and were headed right at us. They were as surprised to see us as we were to see them.

Well, we both struggled to shoulder our shotguns as quickly as we could. My friend managed to get off two shots with his Browning BPS, and got one bird. But I managed to get off 3 shots, and nailed the first two birds as dead as door nails. They both dropped like rocks out of the sky.

I've loved this sight ever since that day, and now have it on all of my shotguns.

And as far as it being a distraction, hell, it is just the OPPOSITE for me. Because the sight is so visible, one can focus much more easily on one's target, as you can see the sight so much better in your peripheral vision.

Blaming a sight for being too visible and distracting? That just sounds so very lame to me. I want a sight that I can clearly see, even when I am not looking directly at it.

The Cabelas customer rating on this shotgun sight is 4.9 out of a possible 5.0:

http://www.cabelas.com/p-0060548229474a.shtml

Show me another shotgun sight on their website that is rated as high. It is truly awesome.



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Old August 31, 2009, 05:25 PM   #14
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I think the light pipes are a mistake / distracts your eyes from the target and makes you stop your swing ....
That is like one of the most ridiculous things that I have ever heard said.

Would you mind explaining for us all exactly how a brighter sight makes a person stop their swing??

That is utter nonsense, in my opinion.

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Old August 31, 2009, 06:23 PM   #15
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Anytime you look at the sight on the end of the barrel, it means your eyes come off the target - and it will stop your swing ... you can watch a guy swing on a Skeet target - and every time he or she looks at the barrel, it stops the gun movement .... its easy to see.

I've seen Tom Knapp shoot with it on his guns / but I don't think he uses it - he endorses it - but I don't think his eyes ever leave the target / but I don't know Tom well enough to ask him.
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Old August 31, 2009, 06:26 PM   #16
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And, as BigJim alludes to. Mr. Knapp get paid to put it on his gun, thank you very much.

If you read my thread, I did not ask you or suggest you not use it. I said I wouldn't be using it.
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Old August 31, 2009, 07:16 PM   #17
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While I used a different product, they all still function the same. Never said the product was poorly made, said I tried one and didn't like it because it distracted me and drew my eyes from watching the target.

If it works for you, good for you. Obviously, some of here disagree
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Old September 1, 2009, 08:29 AM   #18
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Shotgunners differ on what they "Need" at the end of the barrel.

Sarah Sanford does very well with nothing there. So do a surprising number of fine game shots.

My scores did not change when I went from a standard bead to no bead to a small F/O light pipe. I did get better hits with the "Green Worm" and believe it enables me to better position the barrel in my peripheral vision.

Some folks DO find it a distraction.

Best to T&E for ourselves.
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Old September 2, 2009, 02:37 AM   #19
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I don't deny that for some folks it could be considered a "distraction". But to me, that is more a personal preference issue, than anything else. Sure, not everyone is going to prefer to use a fiber-optic sight. But after trying just about every such sight that has been on the market in recent years, I certainly like the EasyHit the best by far out of all of them.

BigJimP's assertion that it would "CAUSE" one to stop swinging their shotgun, though, is categorically ridiculous. It is a person losing their mental concentration and focus, that causes them to stop their swing. Not the brightness of their sight.

So let me try to better understand what folks are trying to argue here. It seems that everyone is saying that their attention span and concentration skills are so extremely poor and marginal, that just having a brighter bead on their shotgun is going to make them completely mess up their shot? In other words, it seems to me that they are saying this: Weak-minded marksmen who cannot maintain their focus or concentration should avoid using any fiber optic sight, no matter what the brand it is.

That is utter Balloon Juice in my opinion, and is totally bogus.

BigJimP obviously is talking without any personal experience or first hand knowledge at all, as he readily admits that he himself has never even used an EasyHit sight. Yet he is so very willing here to attack it. Hmmm .....

And for him to assert that perhaps Tom Knapp does not really use the sight himself? Well, let's see him post some photos of Tom not using the sight:







Actually, folks here could simply go onto Tom's own website and ask him in his message forum what he personally thinks of the EasyHit. I did that myself years ago......


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Old September 2, 2009, 04:10 AM   #20
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Off topic now, aren't we?

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Old September 2, 2009, 09:08 AM   #21
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So let me try to better understand what folks are trying to argue here. It seems that everyone is saying that their attention span and concentration skills are so extremely poor and marginal, that just having a brighter bead on their shotgun is going to make them completely mess up their shot? In other words, it seems to me that they are saying this: Weak-minded marksmen who cannot maintain their focus or concentration should avoid using any fiber optic sight, no matter what the brand it is.
You resorting to insults gets you no where in the credibility department. The OP's question was about skeet guns. YOU bring in this off-topic rant and then proceed to denigrate everyone, (who have a lot of experience) that do not agree with you.

I can assure you that MY attention span is just fine - and I would rather be focusing on the target to hit....but then that's just me - I'd rather break them than miss them. I have shot with, coached with, and practiced with too many folks who miss behind by stopping their gun, and the majority of them have some form of glow pipe. Once removed their scores improved - not by some major factor, but they did go up.

YMMV.
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Old September 2, 2009, 09:56 AM   #22
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This thread has degenerated to a rant, a bashing, insults, etc.

Let's repect the OP and either get back on topic or kill the thread.

Opinions are like............everyone has one.

To the dude that wants to fight over glow pipes, how about starting your own thread? I am sure we can "talk" about it over there.

Here is the bottomline. We all shoot (or say we do) and have learned what works or doesn't work for us, as an individual. Great, we are all different.

As my now dead grandfather use to say....it is good we don't all like the same girl..........
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Old September 2, 2009, 10:05 AM   #23
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re: shotgunworld and Guerini... "but remember they are a touch biased."

No we're not. NOT NOT NOT.

All I have a lousy little 28" 28 ga. Woodlander, so don't mind me, I'm jealous and want a real big CG gun.

John

P.S. - I tried the fiber optic sight that came on my used SX-2 Waterfowl. The ducks and the geese were laughing at it in the first rays of dawn as they flared off, so I took it off. They have really good eyesight. I haven't had a sight on the gun for a couple of years now and like it that way. If I wasn't so lazy I'd remove the sights from all my shotguns. I look at the target and not the sight anyway. My great-uncle Ed used to file the bead down on all of his shotguns, so maybe it runs in our genes.
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Old September 2, 2009, 12:24 PM   #24
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What happened to the discussion started at the beginning of this thread? It was about choosing a skeet/sporting gun, not a heated exchange of ideas about light/glow pipe sights.

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Old September 2, 2009, 12:36 PM   #25
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I agree - let's move on.
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