The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Tactics and Training

View Poll Results: How much training
I TRAIN the people in #2 below 12 10.91%
Extensive legal, tactical and FOF 18 16.36%
Extensive legal and tactical but never FOF 15 13.64%
Extensive legal but just paper punching with the gun 4 3.64%
Little or No Legal but Extensive Tactical and FOF 24 21.82%
Little or No Legal, Extensive Tactical but Little/No FOF 12 10.91%
Training?.... uh.....huh, huh.... uh 25 22.73%
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 25, 2009, 02:36 PM   #1
Brian Pfleuger
Staff
 
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Central, Southern NY, USA
Posts: 18,300
How Much Training Do You Have?

I am curious as to the extent of training here on TFL.

When I say "legal" I mean ACTUAL training, as in you're a lawyer or have taken actual classes SPECIFICALLY aimed at the legal side if defense, not just that you've done a lot of reading.

I know, it would have been better with more options but it gets a little crazy... just pick the closest one.

May I suggest that, for the sake of simplicity, actual combat and/or other military experience be considered "extensive tactical and FOF"
__________________
Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza.
---
The problem, as you so eloquently put it, is choice.
-The Architect
---
You do not HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul. You HAVE a body.
-----
He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose.
-Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.

Last edited by Brian Pfleuger; August 25, 2009 at 02:56 PM.
Brian Pfleuger is offline  
Old August 25, 2009, 03:16 PM   #2
Dannyl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 20, 2009
Location: Cape Town - South Africa
Posts: 627
HI,

I answered 1.

Without going into much detail, during my service I was obviously trained (and later trained my soldiers) in various ways of fighting, including the use of handguns in various scenarios, once or twice I actually go to put this training to the test of reality.

In civilian life I am a qualified firearms instructor, and have taught courses from compulsory training course (a requirement here that one must complete before he can apply for a gun license), this includes teaching firearm handling, the laws related to ownership, handling and display (brandishing) or use of firearms. (this is not my occupation, but I did it a while back for additional income)
To qualify for this one has to pass exams, (written and oral) that include extensive knowledge and understanding of the laws, as well as have the necessary knowledge and skills regarding firearm handling etc.

Other than that, I practice and / or take part in shooting sports almost every weekend. with these including IDPA and pin-shooting, I am quote happy to combine a refreshment of tactical skills with honing the skill of fast and accurate shooting ( I think thatany person who has done some pin-shooting will agree here)

Cheers,
Danny
Dannyl is offline  
Old August 25, 2009, 03:38 PM   #3
ATW525
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 14, 2005
Location: Concord, NH
Posts: 2,683
My vote is: "Training?.... uh.....huh, huh.... uh"

Not that I'm untrained mind you, but I'd hardly consider my training in safety, marksmanship and defensive use of a handgun to be "extensive tactical" training.
ATW525 is offline  
Old August 25, 2009, 03:58 PM   #4
THEZACHARIAS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 26, 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 537
I love my military training. Its extensive, its free, and it works! Throw in a little private sector gun-smithing, civilian legal, more military training (in order to work alongside the army) and some solid competition experience and BAM!! Somehow, I feel like I know what im doing
THEZACHARIAS is offline  
Old August 25, 2009, 04:19 PM   #5
Skans
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 20, 2008
Posts: 7,668
Does piling in a jeep with some other guys doing a mock drive-by at a private range count as "extensive" training?
Skans is offline  
Old August 25, 2009, 05:45 PM   #6
BlackFeather
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 12, 2009
Location: West Coast
Posts: 450
The most training I have is basic handgun use, a bit of knowledge from a former LEO, and very good all around combat skills from a few incidents... mostly running for cover...
__________________
"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men." - Miyamoto Musashi

[Insert random irrelevant religious quote here]
BlackFeather is offline  
Old August 25, 2009, 06:03 PM   #7
javabum
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 6, 2009
Location: Californication
Posts: 264
Ive had training from a merge Sgt.out of San Jose with regards to pistols,revolvers and shotguns, during my time at a police academy(im not Leo,im dyslexic and didn't get through the report writing)plus the training i recieved from ccw class.

other than that i learn from others that are willing to teach.
__________________
Stupidity Should Hurt.....Immensely

NRA Life member
javabum is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 04:55 PM   #8
Walter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 17, 2004
Location: North Texas
Posts: 635
I answered "little or no legal...extensive tactical and FoF". I had quite a
bit of OJT in SE Asia in the Marine Corps in 1969 and 1970, but there was
very little legal training, other than Wartime rules of engagement, which
don't really translate to concealed carry, or civilian life in-general.

I have taken the Texas concealed-carry licensing class three times, and
it is heavily loaded to all the legal aspects and ramifications of the use of,
or the need to use, lethal force. And since my instructor was an LEO,
there was a lot about the legal fallout AFTER the use of lethal force.
To me, that is maybe the most eye-opening part of the class.

Walter
Walter is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 05:06 PM   #9
hoytinak
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 5, 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,709
A little legal with my CHL and Commissioned Security Officer training and quite a bit of tactical and FOF (lots of military (including training others) and some civilian.
__________________
"Four wheels move the body. Two wheels move the soul."
hoytinak is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 05:56 PM   #10
Deaf Smith
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 31, 2000
Location: Texican!
Posts: 3,207
Besides being a CHL instructor, 5th dan TKD (World Taekwondo Federation) with 30 years of it, Krav Maga practitioner, trained in about a dozen firearms classes (including FOF) from several very well known instructors, legal classes (Mas Ayoob), and other fun stuff like IDPA and IPSC (expert or above), well I've been a slacker most of my life at training.

Does everyone need that much? Doubt it.

Was it worth it? Yep!

Am I going to take more? Oh yea! Already paid the $$.

I'd say for a basic minimum please take LFI-1 and one good basic handgun course (take it before LFI-1.) And if you want some H2H skills (as in martial but not the 'art'), I highly recommend Krav Maga.

But I admit, I like to train. It's a form of vacation for me.

Last time they checked my BP it was 127/73 and heart rate of 47.

That's what TKD and Krav Maga will do for you!
__________________
"The government has confiscated all of our rights and is selling them back to us in the form of permits."
Deaf Smith is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 06:07 PM   #11
Snakum
Member
 
Join Date: August 26, 2009
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 84
Quote:
Does piling in a jeep with some other guys doing a mock drive-by at a private range count as "extensive" training?
It does in my book. In fact, I think I'm going to try that scenario this weekend. Sounds fun.

All my training has been US Army (Infantry), which I passed on to others for hire in my younger days, and with some civilian handgun, shotgun, carbine classes and some personal security/protection stuff. My only legal training is what I got while reading law books in prison.

(Just kidding about the law books. Sort of. )
Snakum is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 07:23 PM   #12
Deaf Smith
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 31, 2000
Location: Texican!
Posts: 3,207
Quote:
Does piling in a jeep with some other guys doing a mock drive-by at a private range count as "extensive" training?
Chapman Academy Advance Pistol... we did just that. Only we were shown how to get the hits!
__________________
"The government has confiscated all of our rights and is selling them back to us in the form of permits."
Deaf Smith is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 08:18 PM   #13
Robert Johnson
Member
 
Join Date: November 19, 2001
Location: Peoria, Arizona USA
Posts: 35
It's a way of life.
Robert Johnson is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 09:53 PM   #14
raimius
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 27, 2008
Posts: 1,304
Pretty decent tactical training (weapons handling and some buddy/squad work)

Some FOF stuff, but more as a hobby than specific courses.

No formal legal training, but probably a couple dozen hours of reading.
raimius is offline  
Old August 26, 2009, 09:58 PM   #15
VHinch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 13, 2002
Location: Northeast Georgia
Posts: 374
Military, LEO, and extensive civilian (mainly Thunder Ranch and Gunsite).
__________________
“High speed isn't about gun, gear or tactics. High speed is executing the basics perfectly no matter what, cold, wet, day, night, tired. That’s high speed."
-Paul Howe
VHinch is offline  
Old August 27, 2009, 08:13 AM   #16
Hallucinator
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 7, 2007
Posts: 396
I carried a 1911 and a shotgun in Vietnam. I guess that qualifies me for a little tactical training, but I've never taken a course that was specific to CC issues and laws. I plan to do this in the near future. I got some really good advice from a lawyer yesterday. He is a well trained gun owner and exactly the person to talk to. There are a few laws and practical ways of addressing them that need to be inculcated in to our minds in order to protect ourselves both legally and physically. I'm looking for a CCW self defense course now.
__________________
Sig 226, 228, 229, 232. XD45 Tactical. Smith Model 60 Chief's Special. Smith 1911. Mossberg 930 SPX.

How we behave as gun owners is important. Posturing and threatening does not serve us well in the public eye.
Hallucinator is offline  
Old August 27, 2009, 11:04 AM   #17
sakeneko
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 23, 2009
Location: Nevada
Posts: 644
I answered the last one because I don't yet have anything that could be called "extensive". I've got my CCW and taken basic firearms safety, but that doesn't qualify as extensive legal or tactical training -- in my opinion, anyway. Fortunately I also learned to shoot as a kid, won a few marksmanship medals when I was a teenager (with a 22 rifle), and practice a *lot* now that I have my own handgun. We also have a relatively new Mossberg shotgun with a very new Knoxx stock on it that's for home defense, and I'll be working with that quite a bit too.

Classes are coming up -- as soon as we get out from under the insane overload at work. :-)
sakeneko is offline  
Old August 31, 2009, 09:19 PM   #18
lefteye
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 30, 2006
Location: Iowa
Posts: 661
I'm not sure where my training (and experience) fits. In Vietnam I carried several American firearms while wearing civilian clothing performing my MI duties: Colt Detective Special .38, Colt 1911 .45 ACP, M-16, Winchester Model 97 12 ga. (about 20"). I had training (to some extent) in the use of all of these firearms, as well as other "weapons", e.g., dogs. We also had a few more "exotic" semiautomatic firearms from other sources for which we had no training, but most were excellent weapons.
__________________
NRA Life Member - RMEF Life Member - Vietnam Vet
lefteye is offline  
Old August 31, 2009, 09:59 PM   #19
Doc TH
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 15, 2005
Posts: 503
training

12 years in military, three years competitive shooting in military. No formal tactical training in civilian sector. Years of experience in emergency room in a "knife and gun club" area of a NE inner city, but that's limited to seeing the outcomes of gunfights.
Note that any "legal" training in tactical use of firearms is state-specific and may even be region-specific.
Doc TH is offline  
Old September 1, 2009, 03:10 PM   #20
Legionnaire
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 25, 2000
Location: Western PA
Posts: 1,467
Legal with Mas Ayoob (and others); tactical with LFI, Insights, Storm Mountain; no extensive FOF, though, except one defensive folding knife class.
__________________
Cogito, ergo armatus sum.
Legionnaire is offline  
Old September 1, 2009, 08:59 PM   #21
Ian0351
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 11, 2009
Location: Washington
Posts: 414
Aside from perusing the laws relevant to my state and attaining a CWP, no legal training (short pamphlet, no class or test). Extensive tactical, FOF and simmunitions training courtesy of the USMC, including a trip to the 'ghan.
__________________
You can have your churches, I'll keep my guns. Just keep your hands off my paycheck and your eyes out of my backyard.
Join the Libertarian Party! http://www.lp.org

Semper Fidelis
Ian0351 is offline  
Old September 1, 2009, 10:33 PM   #22
dev_null
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2002
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 615
So anything less than 'extensive tactical' gets lumped into 'nada?'

Not being confrontational, just trying to understand.

Not quite sure where to slot two NRA courses, a Defensive Handgun course, 10,000 rounds downrange on my own, and a couple of years of Shi to ryu Karate (sorry, only way I could get past the nanny filter) that did not include any disarming techniques.

Last edited by dev_null; September 2, 2009 at 10:47 PM. Reason: corrected spelling
dev_null is offline  
Old September 1, 2009, 10:38 PM   #23
scrub12b
Member
 
Join Date: April 21, 2009
Posts: 26
no formal legal training, but plenty of training and practice courtesy of the army.
scrub12b is offline  
Old September 1, 2009, 10:54 PM   #24
deadcoyote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 13, 2009
Location: northern CA
Posts: 490
I'm in my fourth trimester of Emergency Target Intervention Tactics (E-TIT) with Gecko45.
deadcoyote is offline  
Old September 2, 2009, 07:45 PM   #25
Stevie-Ray
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2007
Location: The shores of Lake Huron
Posts: 4,494
Graduate of Handgun Ordered Tactics-Specified High Intensive Training.
__________________
Stevie-Ray
Join the NRA/ILA
I am the weapon; my gun is a tool. It's regrettable that with some people those descriptors are reversed.
Stevie-Ray is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.13373 seconds with 8 queries