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Old August 24, 2009, 08:46 PM   #1
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1911 Platform 9mm?

I am relatively new to 1911's, and looove the way they handle and shoot. They so sooo darn smooth firing the big 45 acp... i expected a sore wrist and was pleasantly surprised when I first first one. I was just wondering, if the hefty steel 1911 platform is smooth with the 45 acp, i can't imagine how smooth it owuld be in 9mm; I have seen a few in 9mm too. So for those of you who have shot or own a 9mm 1911... just how smooth and accurate are they?
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Old August 24, 2009, 09:18 PM   #2
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Not too terribly different from the .45 to be honest. Lighter recoil, same quality trigger. Nice overall package, unless you have a bunch of old .45 single stack magazines and are too cheap to buy new ones in 9mm (ahem... oh wait, that was in reference to myself ).
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Old August 24, 2009, 09:23 PM   #3
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Heck, this says it all.......






1911 9mm? Why?

I think if you buy a 1911 9mm you get a gift certificate for a free dress at Talbots.
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Old August 24, 2009, 10:15 PM   #4
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box of 50 9mm rounds: $9 at wally world
box of 50 .45 caliber rounds: unavailable at wally world, found some at academy for $19

i dont think paper will know the difference between being shot by a 45 over a 9. your wrist and most importantly, your wallet will.

yes. i looked at the bullets head on, and i definetly do not want to get shot by a .45, but i also don't want to get shot with a SD 9mm HP.

if you want the look and feel of a 1911, and the economy of shooting a 9mm, go for it. I am currently waiting for taurus to ship their 1911b-9
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Old August 24, 2009, 10:42 PM   #5
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There are different and cheaper ways to shoot a 9mm. My XD(M) 9 handles just like my loaded Springer 1911. And it was much cheaper. $575 for my 9, and $800 for my 1911. If ya got the money to waste, cool. But if you don't, cheap polymer that shoots just as good, IMO, is good too.
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Old August 24, 2009, 11:22 PM   #6
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Much as it pains me to admit it, my ParaUSA LTC9 has been flawless. Given the difference in cost between 9x19 and .45ACP, it has seen a lot more usage than my 1911's in the more traditional chambering, to the point of being my main gun for bowling pin shooting and more or less living in my range bag to be taken to the range every weekend for skill drills.

Contrary to the opinions of the second respondent in this thread, it did not come with any gift certificates to a clothing store, but then unlike him I am fairly confident in my gender and don't look to bolster it through my choice of pistols.
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Old August 24, 2009, 11:37 PM   #7
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You know, I was debating on removing that pic...until you came along, Tamara. A gut check is deservingly in order.
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Old August 24, 2009, 11:52 PM   #8
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Les Baer PII .45 1.5" guarantee



Les Baer PII 9mm

I had some extractor issues with the 9mm when new, fixed by a local smith. I shoot the 9mm for speed steel and the .45 for bowling pins.

I don't wear a dress, but I've been thinking of a kilt, regimental
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Old August 25, 2009, 09:45 AM   #9
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Appreciate you being able to see the humor in my post Tamara. Some people get too worked up over a little injected humor in forums.

I am quite confident in my gender, so much so I shoot my G19 and PX4 interchangeably in IDPA SSP regularly.

Even been known to pull out the the 1911 single stack para and shoot CDP on that rare occasion I may be feeling gender deficient.

But I am in agreement also with cheaper alternatives to shooting with 9mm. Some plastic fantastic drink of choice (M&P, Glock, XD, PX4,.....)might work better for OP than dropping extra nickels on 9mm 1911 platform. But beauty of the good ole USA (For NOW) is you have choice.

JMB had it right with the 1911 in 45 (well I do like the .38 Super too). If he meant for it to be in 9mm he would have designed a gun like the Browning Hi-Power. Oh wait, he did.
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Old August 25, 2009, 09:52 AM   #10
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I shoot the 9mm for speed steel and the .45 for bowling pins.
Where I shoot pins, they'll let minor shoot heads-up against major, and of course the minor class shooter has their pins halfway back on the table.

It's almost cheating, because a hot 147gr JHP will take a pin from halfway back with plenty of authority.
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Old August 25, 2009, 10:13 AM   #11
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Funny you should mention this! I just had my local 'smith build me one on an Essex frame & slide, Cart (or is it Kart?) barrel with Wilson innerds. It is the slickest, sweetest shootin', easiest kickin' 1911 I've ever fired. Accuracy is really, REALLY good!

Don't listen to the folks who say it is cheaper to shoot than a .45 though. Why? Cause you'll shoot it 5X more than the .45 if you don't watch it!
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Old August 25, 2009, 10:37 AM   #12
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if for the same money i can shoot something 5x more, thatd put a big on my face
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Old August 25, 2009, 10:51 AM   #13
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Don't listen to the folks who say it is cheaper to shoot than a .45 though. Why? Cause you'll shoot it 5X more than the .45 if you don't watch it!


But, that's why I want one!

.40 and .45 make my carpal tunnel flare up and my wrist pops alot after a good range day. 9mm not so much. 9mm makes paper and steel just as dead as .45
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Old August 25, 2009, 11:20 AM   #14
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I have a colt series 80 9mm 1911. It runs great and is accurate. I bought it to add a 9mm to my collection and 1911's are the only bottom feeders that I seem to like. Unfortunately, for me it doesn't point as naturally as my .45 1911. I much prefer a straight back grip frame of my S&W 1911. The colt has a curved back grip frame that really throws me off. I kept it for my wife, but it turns out that the grip frame is too big for her. Looks like it will be going up for sale. I'm really ok with this as I want to reduce the # of calibers I have anyway.
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Old August 25, 2009, 11:40 AM   #15
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Swapping out the mainspring housing (curved back grip frame) is a five-minute job. People with small hands tend to prefer the flat housing.
My "sub caliber" 1911 is a .38 Super loaded to wimpy levels (130gr@1000fps) for competition. It is a real pleasure to shoot, although other than to comply with the specifics of a rule book, I'm not sure what it's for? I already have .45s and a 10mm if something needs a hurt put on it. I'm angling to get a 9mm, but will probably convert it to 9x23 and keep the old barrel so I can shoot squirrels with cheap ammo if necessary.
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Old August 25, 2009, 12:41 PM   #16
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I shot my friends S&W 1911 in 9mm with 5" barrel and it's one of the most accurate 1911s that I've ever shot. I've got one on order. A little less than $1100, if I remember right. I never considered a 1911 in 9mm until I shot this gun.
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Old August 25, 2009, 02:00 PM   #17
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1911 9mm's are great!!!

Yes the .45 is what the gun was designed around, but shooting a 9mm 1911 says nothing of gender, i know it was a joke but i have heard it being seriously said other places. Most competitions shooter's are shooting 9mm or .38 Super in matches and they are some of the best shots in the world. Could they do the same with a .45? Probably pretty close, but i think speed would suffer a small amount because of the felt recoil. Then again I've watched Sevigny shoot a .45 and he made it look like he was shooting a .22. It is ridiculous!! I know there guns are tweaked and they are using lighter loads, but i am a strong guy and see not even a speckle of comparison between pro shooters and I. Then again i have never watched myself shoot so i am just speculating. Im not talking about accuracy i know i dont compare there but control of the gun is more what im speaking of
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Old August 25, 2009, 04:20 PM   #18
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I have an STI Trojan 5 9mm and a Kimber Grand Raptor .45.

Yes, the .45 does have more kick and ft lbs of force. If you need a gun to shot an intruder that happens to have a bulletproof vest on, well, you'll want a .45 vs. a 9mm. Then again, if you are a good shot just put 10 rounds of 9mm Winchester Ranger +P+, and you'll have the same force as a standard .45 ACP round.

Depends on what you want the 1911 for... STI 9mm has a 10 round mag, .45 has a 8 round mag. if you want to shoot USPSA single stack and you can hit the A zone, then get a 9mm, you'll have two extra rounds in the mag which will help, but you'll be shooting minor.

1911 guns in general shoot very accurate in my opinion compared to polymer guns. I can shoot 5 to 6 rounds pretty much through the same hole at 10 yards with my 9mm using OTS (off the shelf) ammo. I can put 4 to 5 rounds through the same hole at 10 yards with my .45 using OTS ammo. At 25 yards slow fire, both shoot a golfball sized pattern. Bottomline, both are damn accurate.

If you shoot a lot, I would go with the 9mm. It is a hell of a lot cheaper to shoot...($12/box vs $16/box)...adds up if you shoot 300 rounds a week at 200 rounds at a match each week...that's about 13 extra boxes of 9mm in a month...
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I have an STI Trojan 5 9mm and a Kimber Grand Raptor .45.
You may want to check out www.brazoscustom.com/ as a source for the STI Trojan. STI has an excellent reputation for accuracy.
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Old August 25, 2009, 06:04 PM   #20
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"If you shoot a lot, I would go with the 9mm. It is a hell of a lot cheaper to shoot...($12/box vs $16/box)...adds up if you shoot 300 rounds a week at 200 rounds at a match each week."

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Old August 25, 2009, 06:45 PM   #21
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I have a Colt 9mm Commander and it's nice to shoot on the range. Not flawless, but I don't care because I don't carry it. For that, I'll stick with the .45.
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Old August 25, 2009, 08:07 PM   #22
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I'm primarily a revolver guy and I'm a latecomer to the delights of 1911 ownership. I love mine (S & W 1911) and have given a lot of thought to adding a 9 to the collection. From everything I've read it makes a lot of sense, especially due to the much lower cost of 9mm ammo vs. 45acp. Maybe, next year
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Old August 26, 2009, 03:20 PM   #24
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Actually there are several good reasons to have a 1911 in 9mm.

First, it is substantially cheaper to shoot that the 45acp. That allows a bunch more practice and thus more familiarity with the platform.

Second, those who are recoil sensitive, the 1911 in 9mm makes sense, especially if they truly like the 1911 gun platform.

I have two of them, I am 6'6" and 300lbs and I am not sensitive to recoil and definately do not "Squat to pee".

I bought my Para Ordnance LTC in 9mm because it is the same size and configuration as my 45acp Wilson Combat Professional, and I can use the same holster when practicing my draws from concealment and, as I stated above, shoot many more times, constantly retraining my muscle memory. Teaching someone to shoot a 1911, I have found that a lesser recoiling gun shortens the learning curve. I have taught about a dozen men and women to shoot the 1911 with this gun. Most shoot or carry one in 45 today. The rest either found one in 9mm or went to another platform all together.


I also have a Springfield Loaded target which, other than my Wilson, which cost three times as much, is the most accurate gun I own. I love to use it for small game hunting on cottontails and squirrels.
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Old August 26, 2009, 03:43 PM   #25
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I have a number of 1911's in .45 acp / and 9mm - and in a 9mm its a perfect range gun / practice gun - especially since my primary carry gun is a 1911 in .45 acp.

Wilson Combat is my personal preference / the Protector all stainelss in 9mm - 5" barrel - is one of the better guns I own.

I also have a Kimber Tactical Pro II model, 4", in 9mm that's a good training gun for young shooters ( light alloy frame, etc ) / and I have a Les Baer monolith model, 5", in 9mm that's a pretty good gun now that I have it broken in / but hands down my Wilson in 9mm is a better gun.

I recommend the Wilson combat 9mm mags by the way / 10 round mags - they're holding up real well - and I've been running them for several months.
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