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Old August 19, 2009, 03:22 PM   #1
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Cleaning SS revolver and rust prevention...

I just picked up a Ruger GP100 5" barrel revolver and I noticed at the time it had a tiny amount of rust like discoloration on the top of the barrel in the series of parallel grooves that run along the top. If it wasn't a 5" barrel version I might have looked elsewhere but there don't seem to be too many of these around. What would be the best solution for getting these out? I have heard that Hoppes #9 and a bronze brush should do the trick or even maybe the GunBrite jell, but what is the best way to prevent it from coming back? Regular gun oil or is there something else that is recommended for stainless that would be better? Any advice on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Matt
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Old August 19, 2009, 04:56 PM   #2
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FLITZ

willclean polish & protect SS,
i don`t clean cyl rings with it but once a yr. though
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Old August 19, 2009, 05:36 PM   #3
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FYI...."stainless" is a bit of a misnomer - ALL steels can rust. Stainless is just more rust resistant than standard tool steel.
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Old August 19, 2009, 05:39 PM   #4
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I would use Flitz polish on it as well ......
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Old August 19, 2009, 07:26 PM   #5
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To get the "rust" out of the grooves I would recommend a small stainless wire brush and run it along the grooves. Apply your favorite oil and go forth and sin no more. Flitz is more of a polish, not really aggressive enough to bust rust. Your gun was finished with a wire brush. Even stainless guns should wear a light coat of oil. I have seen people whose perspiration could rust stainless in a matter of minutes.
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Old August 19, 2009, 08:00 PM   #6
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In dealing with rust in similar situations, I like to use one of those green "scrubbies" type of things and some cleaner, followed with some oil. Won't take off any metal, but will clean it up real nice
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Old August 19, 2009, 08:12 PM   #7
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FYI...."stainless" is a bit of a misnomer - ALL steels can rust. Stainless is just more rust resistant than standard tool steel.
Actually, it's the 'steel' in 'stainless steel' that is the misnomer. When you get to some of the really high-grade stainless steels like 316, there's virtually no, if any actual iron in the material anymore. They won't even think about attracting a magnet, and there is nothing there to 'rust.' Sure, there may be materials that oxidize, but the term 'rust' is specific to ferric alloys. :metal nerd:

That being said, I have no idea what grade of stainless your gun is composed of, so none of my little tirade actually matter. So, I owe csmsss an apology. I'm sorry. I wasn't really smackin' on you.
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Old August 19, 2009, 08:18 PM   #8
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I have no idea what grade of stainless your gun is composed of,
Basically you are correct about the 316 series stainless. Use to be called surgical stainless. Magnet will not attract. But 300 series is terrible to make guns with, way too hard for easy machining.

Most modern stainless guns are 416 series, or least 400 series. This is a fairly easy to machine stainless can be held by a magnet. It does have ferrous material and indeed it can rust.
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Old August 19, 2009, 08:23 PM   #9
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Madmag, I bow to your madskills.
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Old August 19, 2009, 08:37 PM   #10
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It does have ferrous material and indeed it can rust
sounds like what my chinese-made big-box stainless BBQ was made of....one year in FL under a canopy by a pool......rust bucket

can't imagine what one of my s.s. guns would be like in that situation
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Old August 19, 2009, 08:50 PM   #11
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Misinformation?

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Actually, it's the 'steel' in 'stainless steel' that is the misnomer. When you get to some of the really high-grade stainless steels like 316, there's virtually no, if any actual iron in the material anymore. They won't even think about attracting a magnet, and there is nothing there to 'rust.' Sure, there may be materials that oxidize, but the term 'rust' is specific to ferric alloys. :metal nerd:
The composition of 316 Stainless Steel in percentages of components:

.03 C
18.5 Cr
14.0 Ni
3.0 Mo
2.0 Mn
1.0 Si
.045 P
.03 S
38.605 % The rest is Fe(Iron), 61.395%. (Do not take my word for the composistion of 316 Stainless Steel, but do a search on the internet). Therefore, 316 Stainless Steel is an alloy of ferrite. Furthermore, the reason that it does not attract a magnet is that it is a Austinetic structure (If you heat plain carbon steel to red heat, it becomes an Austinetic structure and does not attract a magnet until it cools down).

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Old August 19, 2009, 09:02 PM   #12
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Stainless Steel - Grade 316 – Properties, Fabrication and Applications
Chemical Formula

Fe, <0.03% C, 16-18.5% Cr, 10-14% Ni, 2-3% Mo, <2% Mn, <1% Si, <0.045% P, <0.03% S
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Less than THREE HUNDREDTHS of a percent of Fe (iron), or in other words, 3/10000. Like I said, virtually no if any...

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Now that, I agree with!
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Old August 19, 2009, 09:16 PM   #13
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I would edit my comment, but I'm going to own it. I'm not sure why I thought there was nearly no Fe in 316, but I did. The link I provided in my last post was the first (hence my last post) and only one that I found that supported my statement. Everything else that I've found supports the ~38% other materials and the balance being iron. I retract my statement and was apparently wrong. Dahermit, what do you do?
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Old August 19, 2009, 10:07 PM   #14
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taking off the rust

I have had success with a bit of steel wool moistened with WD-40. Yes, I know that WD-40 will foul primers so I only use a light spay on the wool and wipe it dry after cleaning, then a thin layer of gun oil before putting into storage. The first couple of time I tried this I was afraid that the wool might scratch but if you use light pressure on the rust it will come off and leave the metal beneath clean.
BTW the last time I did this was on a stainless Blackhawk and it worked like a charm.
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Old August 20, 2009, 12:14 AM   #15
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I would start off light with a washcloth and hoppes 9 worked into the grooves followed by some lubricating oil before I took any steel wool or wire brush to it if it were my gun. Now if the light treatment doesn't work, then you might need something a bit more vigorous. Regular cleaning with hoppes 9 and gun lubricating oil will prevent any future rusting from being very likely.
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Old August 20, 2009, 09:35 AM   #16
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Stainless Steel - Grade 316 – Properties, Fabrication and Applications
Chemical Formula

Fe, <0.03% C, 16-18.5% Cr, 10-14% Ni, 2-3% Mo, <2% Mn, <1% Si, <0.045% P, <0.03% S
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Less than THREE HUNDREDTHS of a percent of Fe (iron), or in other words, 3/10000. Like I said, virtually no if any...
Please look where the comma is in the above formula. The <0.03% refers to the Carbon content, "C". This list of elements in 316 Stainless Steel does not give the amount of iron, just that it is there. But, do the math.

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Old August 20, 2009, 10:04 AM   #17
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Stainless steel

Been a ferrous metallurgist for a long time now. Stainless steel can be a very confusing topic for non-metallurgists.... lol.... All stainless steels have at least 50% iron, so they are all "mostly iron", but other elements such as carbon, chromium, and nickel are added to alter mechanical properties and corrosion resistance. There is basically a trade off between strength and corrosion resistance. High strength stainless steels cannot be extremely corrosion resistant and vice versa.

There are basically 2 major types of SS, 300 series and 400 series. 300 series (302, 303, 304, 316, etc) are austenitic stainless steel. 300 series generally have more than 16% chromium. They are soft, they have poor mechanical properties but they are very corrosion resistant (they cannot be heat treated to increase strength). Silverware is austenitic stainless steel. They are non-magnetic.

Guns parts (that are stainless steel) are made from 400 series stainless steels (410, 420, 17-4PH, 13-8PH, etc). 400 series are martensitic stainless steels. These steels generally have 12-17% chromium and can be heat treated to drastically increase strength and mechanical properties. They are magnetic.

Non stainless steel generally has less than 2% chromium. Making stainless steel stainless is mostly about how much chromium is in the steel. The more chromium, the better the corrosion resistance. The chromium actually results in a very thin chromium oxide which basically acts like a very tenacious paint, keeping the actual metal underneath separate from the outside world.

This post is for the curious!
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Old August 20, 2009, 09:20 PM   #18
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I like the flitz paste too..
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Old August 20, 2009, 10:17 PM   #19
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Please look where the comma is in the above formula. The <0.03% refers to the Carbon content, "C". This list of elements in 316 Stainless Steel does not give the amount of iron, just that it is there. But, do the math.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was mistaken. I admit it already. I re-read it, I did the math, you were right, and I was wrong. I'll buy you a beer if you care to meet me in Central Oklahoma, just please allow me what shreds are left of my dignity.

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I'm sure you were a good one as well. Like I said, I clearly have more homework to do. As a metal nerd, I'm excited to find something that I don't yet know. As the dude being shamed on the forum, I'm not excited at all.
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