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Old August 12, 2009, 03:05 PM   #1
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Where to buy armor piercing 5.56 ammo?

Where to buy armor piercing 5.56 ammo? I saw some at a gun show recently. It was $15 for 10 rounds. I think this is expensive.
Is there any way to buy it for less?
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Old August 12, 2009, 03:19 PM   #2
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The ammo you are talking about is probably M855 milsurp. Why would you want it as opposed to other rounds? I guess if you're afraid someone with body armor coming after you in your home then that's a legitimate concern but I think that's being a little too paranoid if you ask me. If you want it just for showing off, novelty, or to try out at the range one afternoon then for a 1-time purchase $1.50/rd shouldn't be too bad.

Also, I'd be careful if it's something you saw at a gun show. About 50% of the retailers I've seen at shows are completely full of $#!*. Don't get ripped off.
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Old August 12, 2009, 03:20 PM   #3
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check the various ammunition sites on the internet. One had Privi M855 for a reasonable price the other day, much less than $1.50 around, more like $.60 a round.
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Old August 12, 2009, 03:48 PM   #4
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Cheaper Than Dirt sells M855 AP ammo.
They have it in boxs of 20 for ~$15.79
And 1000 round loose packs for ~$730.00
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Old August 12, 2009, 04:13 PM   #5
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I sell the bullets by themselves for $125 per 1000 but you have to load them yourself. They are made by prvi. If you reload and you are interested try http://www.rmrbullets.com
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Old August 12, 2009, 04:27 PM   #6
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Cheaper Than Dirt

I have seen them at gun shows as well
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Old August 12, 2009, 04:58 PM   #7
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M855 (green tip) isn't armor piercing, it's ball with a mild steel core for intermediate barrier penetration. The 5.56x45mm NATO AP round is M995; the projectile is a tungsten dart encased in a gilding metal jacket, with the tips painted black. M995 is almost impossible to find for sale anywhere.

Note also that "armor piercing" rifle ammunition is in reference to hard armor or vehicle armor; even run-of-the-mill 55gr FMJ .223 Rem loads will punch through soft body armor like it isn't even there.
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Old August 12, 2009, 05:04 PM   #8
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None of them will defeat composite ceramic body armors.
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Old August 12, 2009, 05:08 PM   #9
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Not entirely accurate; while hard armor will generally stop all small arms fire on the first and subsequent shot, non-metallic hard armor inserts tend to degrade and lose effectiveness after repeated strikes.
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Old August 12, 2009, 05:37 PM   #10
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If it was at a gunshow odds are it was plain 'ol SS109/855.
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Old August 12, 2009, 05:45 PM   #11
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What I saw at the gun shop had a bullet tip painted black - so it probably was 955 ammo.
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Old August 12, 2009, 05:46 PM   #12
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Sorry... I meant "gun show" not "gun shop".
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Old August 12, 2009, 05:53 PM   #13
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Have you tried here???

http://www.ssarmory.com/
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Old August 12, 2009, 07:02 PM   #14
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It is there but "MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY, govt. Purchase Order Required"
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Old August 12, 2009, 07:13 PM   #15
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So why on earth do you want it? It is really useless (because it isn’t cheap nor accurate (meaning any more so than a standard ball ammo), you cannot shoot it at most ranges, and cannot hunt with it) unless you have a specific application in mind.

I guess if I were an armchair commando I may be stocking up for one of the million or so SHTF things everyone is always talking about.

Maybe you’re just a guy that likes to play with those types of things, I don’t know. Just make sure that it is allowed to be shot at whatever range you will be shooting it at or if at a private range make darn sure of your backstop.

Good luck finding what you are looking for and happy "Armor Piercing".

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Old August 12, 2009, 07:45 PM   #16
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So why on earth do you want it? It is really useless (because it isn’t cheap nor accurate, you cannot shoot it at most ranges, and cannot hunt with it) unless you have a specific application in mind.
Interesting. I had never noticed AP ammo being inaccurate. Groups opened up about 1 MOA from the ball I had and the POI was different from the ball I was shooting, but was consistent. The difference in accuracy wasn't significant and I have certainly had similar problems with other non-AP ammo that didn't do well in my particular gun. It may not be match grade stuff, but I would not call it inaccurate.
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Old August 12, 2009, 08:01 PM   #17
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In WW2 and Korea, when U.S. snipers couldnt get the match grade ammo...the fall back ammo was .30-06 AP as it was very consistant/accurate.
Its Tracer that is dismal in the accuracy dept.
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Old August 12, 2009, 08:11 PM   #18
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Why do you need armor piercing ammunition?
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Old August 12, 2009, 09:06 PM   #19
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and check your local laws carefully!

For quite some time now, actual armor piercing (AP) ammo has not been legal to sell, or buy. Under federal law (Cop Killer bullet laws), AP ammo could be kept, shot, or sold to an FFL dealer, but could not be bought, traded, or even given away by us ordinary folks.

You cannot legally hunt with it, very few ranges will allow you to shoot it (and those that do are very picky, NO shooting the steel targets!), so, other than as a historical collectors curio, there isn't much you can do with AP ammo, unless you have your own private place to shoot it.

You may find steel cored ammo, but it isn't true AP. What you can still legally buy is AP bullets (not loaded ammo). If you really want some actual AP, the only legal way to get it is buy the bullets and load it yourself.
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Old August 12, 2009, 09:35 PM   #20
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Why do you need armor piercing ammunition?
There is no real practical reason for me to have AP ammo - I won't hunt with it and I prefer other types of ammo for target practice. But do we do everything out of practical considerations? Maybe I just want to have 1-2 magazines of that ammo "just in case" for a doomsday scenario when aliens land on earth to invade us or whatever - I am sure that I will never fire it. It is extremely unlikely that anyone would have a practical need to fire it but it is nice to have a comforting feeling in the back of your mind that you also have that option in ammo if you need it.
There are other interesting types of military ammo - for example Russia makes special ammo for AK type guns that sets things on fire. Like you shoot that round on enemy wooden roof and it's on fire. I don't know if this is made for US military as well. I wouldn't be interested in having it anyway but it does exist.
Also, are you sure that AP ammo is illegal in all states? To me it looks like if I can buy it at a gun show, it is pretty legal.
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Old August 12, 2009, 09:51 PM   #21
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I am curious why all the questions on "why do you want it" - do you really expect an answer like "cause I want to kill cops" ??

I have all variety of ammo including AP, why?

cause its fun to shoot stuff thats why, I love tracers, I don't hunt with them, not entirely accurate, ranges don't let me use them, but when I'm out in the country they are FUN - which is why I spend tons of money on this stuff, for fun.

I got them at a gun show
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Old August 12, 2009, 10:33 PM   #22
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Some interesting info I found about that AP round:

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Cartridge, 5.56-mm, Ball, M855. (Used in the M16A2/3/4 and M4-series weapons.) The M855 cartridge has a 62-grain, gilded metal-jacketed, lead alloy core bullet with a steel penetrator. The primer and case are waterproof. This round is also linked and used in the M249. It has a green tip. This ammunition should not be used in the M16A1 except under emergency conditions, and only at targets less than 90 meters in distance. (The twist of the M16A1 rifling is not sufficient to stabilize the heavier projectile of the round).
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Old August 12, 2009, 10:57 PM   #23
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In the 60's I bought a Spam can of 30-06 AP black tip I think 550rds for 90 bucks they came in bandoleers in M-1 clips. Still have 2 bandoleers left. I found the bullets make very good center punches but you gotta watch your fingers.
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Old August 12, 2009, 11:04 PM   #24
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In a way....

If you want something like that.

Get a Barnes TSX bullet. OR, I ain't tried it, but theoretically their banded solids.

Tough freakin bullets.
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Old August 13, 2009, 07:01 AM   #25
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??m955 projectiles??

old Sneaky Pete here: As mentioned above the correct 5.56x45 AP(Black-Tip) is M955 and someone mentioned getting the projectiles and "Rolling Your Own". So as I handload ??Where can you buy?? the M955 Projectiles. Also will a 1:9 twist stabilize or a 1:8--got both uppers. THANX--SNEAKY

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