Glock 17 vs smith and wesson MP9.

plom · August 2, 2009, 05:09 AM

If you had to choose only one for duty use wich one would you take and why?they both equaly feat my hand. Thanks

ReNtaPiG · August 2, 2009, 05:18 AM

LOL...I knew this would come up eventually...I own the Glock for duty use and quite frankly the ONLY reason I do is it's reputation for reliability

Now I also own an M&P40c and the M&P is to me IMHO a much better crafted piece...feels better with the adjustable back straps, interchangeable mag release AND MUCH BETTER LOOKS then the str8 up block glock. The M&P is also just as reliable and the best part of it all is that S&W = American

So basically in a nut shell, had I played with the M&P before the Glock then the Safariland holster would be sporting an M&P instead of a Glock

Uncle Malice · August 2, 2009, 11:30 AM

I would gladly take the M&P over the Glock.

A lot of people argue in favor of the Glock due to availability of parts. Well, as I understand it, Glock's customer service isn't particularly happy to do warranty repairs and if they do, it's quite a long turn around time. So yes, it's good that you can fix most things yourself or have a smith do it.... but that doesn't really equal great customer service.

On the other hand, Smith & Wesson and Springfield Armory both have a reputation for very good customer service. I would say that Springfield is a hair above S&W, but they are really very close. When I got my M&P 9c, they come with 2 magazines, 1 with a flat base plate and 1 with the pinky extension. Well I liked the pinky extension version. Also when I was first reading the manual and looking at how the back strap pin twists and slides out, I managed to mar up the little notch on the pin because I twisted it a bit too much. Well I called Smith & Wesson support to ask what I would have to do about ordering another pinky extension for my second magazine and maybe an extra back strap pin... the gentleman I spoke with was more than happy to send me both items free of charge.

That says a lot to me. He explained that basically they send 1 magazine with and without the extension so the customer can try both and decide which they prefer. If they call, S&W will gladly send you the 2nd base plate of your choice.

So yes...FWIW, I own an M&P and 2 Springfield XD's... I have sold or traded away all of the Glocks.

gun nut · August 2, 2009, 11:41 AM

Its easy for me. The m&p fits my hand way better. My chubby fingers don't fit the "finger" grooves on the glock.

Boats · August 2, 2009, 12:11 PM

Glock has gotten long in the tooth and it increasingly shows. Most Glock users are forced to use it by price or bureaucratic circumstance, rather like its kludgy and just as hideous soul twin, Microsoft Windows.

But hey, they both work!

If that's all that's important, they meet the minimum criteria. People should think they deserve better.

When I was a reserve deputy back in the day, I was offered an issue Glock 17 for duty. I paid for my own department approved Beretta 92FS, and later, a SIG P226 rather than take the lowest common denominator.

The M&P is another I would choose over the polymer brick. The only Glock that remotely appeals to me is the G20. The 10mm Glocks are the only peerless Glocks on the market.

rsxr22 · August 2, 2009, 12:36 PM

Glock.

Im not a glock fanatic. I actually cant stand glock fanatic's but i own many different pistols and no matter how much i try to get away from them by buying HK's, Sig's, 1911's. Glocks just always work and i keep going back to them. I would rather have a G22 for duty though over a G17

als54 · August 2, 2009, 02:04 PM

I'd say go with what fits your hand although I'm bias for the Glock and it's proven reliability.

ranburr · August 2, 2009, 03:27 PM

Glock by a long shot.

sholling · August 2, 2009, 03:36 PM

The one that fits you best. Glocks don't work for me and M&Ps do.

Glock_fan · August 2, 2009, 03:51 PM

I own a Glock 17 and a M&P45, which has a slightly larger frame I believe to accomidate for the larger round, but could be wrong. The M&P fits better in my hand but jussst barely. My G17 is my favorite pistol I own, and I am really accurate with it, but I would go with the M&P.

I agree with the above posts with buying American, and great customer service with Smith, another thing with Smith is that their warrenties are lifetime warrenties, so 60 years from now if you have problems with it Smith will fix it for free. I'm from Iowa and the Iowa State Patrol carries the M&P40. Sadly even though I own one, I don't have much experience with my M&P because .45 ACP has become as rare as hens teeth around my neck of the woods.

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THEZACHARIAS · August 2, 2009, 04:05 PM

I shoot the same with both, but I like the balance and the feel of the M&P better, plus the huge magazine capacity. Besides that, the fact that its all american gives me the warm fuzzies.

RT · August 2, 2009, 04:59 PM

I've had both. Prefer the Glocks-- specifically the G19. Proven reliability, utilitarian simplicity, plethora of aftermarket parts and mags. Also prefer the reset on the Glock trigger. In reality, it comes down to personal preference.

Kermit · August 2, 2009, 05:07 PM

Glock -- longer reputation for reliability and dependability esp in 9mm! Ask the Los Angeles County Sheriff's dept why the M&P is no longer approved for duty use!

roman3 · August 2, 2009, 05:20 PM

I'm used to the Glock and it would be my choice. Being American made does not mean much these days and it certainly is not synonymous with quality. For me the trigger reset or lack thereof in the M&P keeps me from embracing it. Try them both but of the 3 big mid priced Polymer guns (Glock, M&P and XD) the M&P would be last for me.

plom · August 2, 2009, 05:45 PM

Hi Kermit, why is it not aproved anymore for duty use?

sholling · August 2, 2009, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Glock -- longer reputation for reliability and dependability esp in 9mm! Ask the Los Angeles County Sheriff's dept why the M&P is no longer approved for duty use!

Let's be fair and have full disclosure. It's for the same reason that Glocks have been pulled from service (or replaced) by several LE agencies. A small batch of supposedly "bad barrels" and local department politics. The funny thing is that it seems like LASD got all of the few bad ones. Meanwhile other agencies are replacing Glocks, far more than the one agency replacing M&Ps. Anybody wanting to get into a P***ing contest should google first.

http://www.policeone.com/news/81618
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616676/posts
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/leo-tal...ck-21-use.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/off-...o-explode.html

Bottom line both are good reliable accurate pistols. Pick the one that fits you and you shoot the best.

pabst_20 · August 2, 2009, 07:45 PM

If my life was on the line I would want the M&P in my hand over a glock

mcintosh02 · August 2, 2009, 08:43 PM

The glock design has proven itself, that is without question. However, glock could just as easily produce a pistol with better ergonomics, but they dont. The glock design is almost 30 years old now. Competitors have learned from glocks sucesses and timproved upon their mistakes.

Id go with the M&P.

Dave T · August 3, 2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Glock has gotten long in the tooth and it increasingly shows. Most Glock users are forced to use it by price or bureaucratic circumstance, rather like its kludgy and just as hideous soul twin, Microsoft Windows.

But hey, they both work!

If that's all that's important, they meet the minimum criteria. People should think they deserve better.

When I was a reserve deputy back in the day, I was offered an issue Glock 17 for duty. I paid for my own department approved Beretta 92FS, and later, a SIG P226 rather than take the lowest common denominator.

The M&P is another I would choose over the polymer brick. The only Glock that remotely appeals to me is the G20. The 10mm Glocks are the only peerless Glocks on the market.

Sure glad I have a couple of G20s. Otherwise you wouldn't approve of me at all. Just can't imagine how bad that would be.

Dave

#18indycolts · August 3, 2009, 03:14 PM

glock, hands down.

Boats · August 3, 2009, 03:19 PM

It has nothing to do with approval. Some people tout Glocks as the be all--end all--and some people think they are barely acceptable. If Glocks blow your skirt up so be it, but many people can and do better for themselves in polymer every time they pass up a typical service caliber Glock for a more updated design.

predecessor · August 3, 2009, 03:33 PM

I certainly prefer the M&P to the Glock. But why couldn't S&W make take down on the M&P a little easier? Just goes to show that no gun is perfect.

bangbangshootshoot · August 3, 2009, 03:56 PM

I've fired both & liked the feel of the Smith, so decided to go with the M&P; (9c is my concealed carry)
-predecessor; I find take down quite easy. I never use the frame tool to let down the sear deactivation lever though, just use my pinky finger or the eraser end of a pencil.

Logs · August 3, 2009, 04:12 PM

I own the G19 and MP9, both go bang, both shoot really good groups. It really comes down to you and how each will fit you. I can get use to either trigger and both of mine have the rails for lights.

donmor53 · August 3, 2009, 05:31 PM

As far as the polymers go...I have owned Glocks since shortly after the 17s hit the American market. Since I've purchased my 17, 23 and 27...many have added polymers to their product lines. I have managed to handle and shoot one S&W as well as several of the other manufacturers samples. Unless an MP9 proved to be remarkably more accurate than my 17...(and the one I shot was not)...I'll stick with the proven record of dependability Glock has world wide. I don't know...call me too conservative but that is the way I feel.

That said...if I had to carry one in harms way on a daily basis...I would most likely trade either for a Sig or HK polymer. Until totally convinced about polymers (I more of a traditionalist I guess)...I'll carry my Sig 239 or 229 for CCW.

August 2, 2009, 11:30 AM	#3
Uncle Malice Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,482	I would gladly take the M&P over the Glock. A lot of people argue in favor of the Glock due to availability of parts. Well, as I understand it, Glock's customer service isn't particularly happy to do warranty repairs and if they do, it's quite a long turn around time. So yes, it's good that you can fix most things yourself or have a smith do it.... but that doesn't really equal great customer service. On the other hand, Smith & Wesson and Springfield Armory both have a reputation for very good customer service. I would say that Springfield is a hair above S&W, but they are really very close. When I got my M&P 9c, they come with 2 magazines, 1 with a flat base plate and 1 with the pinky extension. Well I liked the pinky extension version. Also when I was first reading the manual and looking at how the back strap pin twists and slides out, I managed to mar up the little notch on the pin because I twisted it a bit too much. Well I called Smith & Wesson support to ask what I would have to do about ordering another pinky extension for my second magazine and maybe an extra back strap pin... the gentleman I spoke with was more than happy to send me both items free of charge. That says a lot to me. He explained that basically they send 1 magazine with and without the extension so the customer can try both and decide which they prefer. If they call, S&W will gladly send you the 2nd base plate of your choice. So yes...FWIW, I own an M&P and 2 Springfield XD's... I have sold or traded away all of the Glocks. __________________ Glock 17 OD \| Glock 19 G4 \| Glock 21 G4 \| Glock 20 G4 \| Springfield TRP Black \| Smith & Wesson M&P 9 Pro \| Smith & Wesson M&P 22 Daniel Defense DDM4 V4 \| Arsenal SGL 21 \| ASA SBR w/ Side Charger \| Mega/PSA M4 Clone \| Remington 700 SPS Tactical \| Savage Mark II FV-SR Mossberg 590A1 \| Mossberg 500 Cruiser w/ 590 14" front end \| Remington 870 Tactical

August 2, 2009, 11:41 AM	#4
gun nut Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2009 Location: midwest Posts: 298	Its easy for me. The m&p fits my hand way better. My chubby fingers don't fit the "finger" grooves on the glock. __________________ The only stupid question is the one not asked! (Unknown)

August 2, 2009, 02:04 PM	#7
als54 Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 215	I'd say go with what fits your hand although I'm bias for the Glock and it's proven reliability. __________________ Glock G17 Taurus PT145 Millennium PRO NRA Member

August 2, 2009, 03:27 PM	#8
ranburr Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2006 Location: TX Posts: 1,278	Glock by a long shot. __________________ ranburr "There are no stupid questions, just stupid people asking questions".

August 2, 2009, 03:36 PM	#9
sholling Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Hemet (middle of nowhere) California Posts: 4,254	The one that fits you best. Glocks don't work for me and M&Ps do. __________________ Proud Life Member: National Rifle Association, California Rifle & Pistol Association, and the Second Amendment Foundation. Annual Member: Revolutionary War Veterans Association (Project Appleseed) and the Madison Society.

August 2, 2009, 05:09 AM	#1
plom Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Posts: 582	Glock 17 vs smith and wesson MP9. If you had to choose only one for duty use wich one would you take and why?they both equaly feat my hand. Thanks __________________ DUX BELLORUM

August 2, 2009, 05:18 AM	#2
ReNtaPiG Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2009 Posts: 310	LOL...I knew this would come up eventually...I own the Glock for duty use and quite frankly the ONLY reason I do is it's reputation for reliability Now I also own an M&P40c and the M&P is to me IMHO a much better crafted piece...feels better with the adjustable back straps, interchangeable mag release AND MUCH BETTER LOOKS then the str8 up block glock. The M&P is also just as reliable and the best part of it all is that S&W = American So basically in a nut shell, had I played with the M&P before the Glock then the Safariland holster would be sporting an M&P instead of a Glock

August 2, 2009, 12:11 PM	#5
Boats Junior member Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 964	Glock has gotten long in the tooth and it increasingly shows. Most Glock users are forced to use it by price or bureaucratic circumstance, rather like its kludgy and just as hideous soul twin, Microsoft Windows. But hey, they both work! If that's all that's important, they meet the minimum criteria. People should think they deserve better. When I was a reserve deputy back in the day, I was offered an issue Glock 17 for duty. I paid for my own department approved Beretta 92FS, and later, a SIG P226 rather than take the lowest common denominator. The M&P is another I would choose over the polymer brick. The only Glock that remotely appeals to me is the G20. The 10mm Glocks are the only peerless Glocks on the market.

August 2, 2009, 12:36 PM	#6
rsxr22 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2009 Location: Youngstown, OH Posts: 1,825	Glock. Im not a glock fanatic. I actually cant stand glock fanatic's but i own many different pistols and no matter how much i try to get away from them by buying HK's, Sig's, 1911's. Glocks just always work and i keep going back to them. I would rather have a G22 for duty though over a G17

August 2, 2009, 03:51 PM	#10
Glock_fan Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 118	I own a Glock 17 and a M&P45, which has a slightly larger frame I believe to accomidate for the larger round, but could be wrong. The M&P fits better in my hand but jussst barely. My G17 is my favorite pistol I own, and I am really accurate with it, but I would go with the M&P. I agree with the above posts with buying American, and great customer service with Smith, another thing with Smith is that their warrenties are lifetime warrenties, so 60 years from now if you have problems with it Smith will fix it for free. I'm from Iowa and the Iowa State Patrol carries the M&P40. Sadly even though I own one, I don't have much experience with my M&P because .45 ACP has become as rare as hens teeth around my neck of the woods. www.gunpundit.com/2008/flood_checkpoint.jpg __________________ "Get rid of that nickel-plated sissy pistol, and get yourself a Glock"-Tommy Lee Jones, U.S Marshalls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg

August 2, 2009, 04:05 PM	#11
THEZACHARIAS Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 537	I shoot the same with both, but I like the balance and the feel of the M&P better, plus the huge magazine capacity. Besides that, the fact that its all american gives me the warm fuzzies.

August 2, 2009, 04:59 PM	#12
RT Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2000 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,188	I've had both. Prefer the Glocks-- specifically the G19. Proven reliability, utilitarian simplicity, plethora of aftermarket parts and mags. Also prefer the reset on the Glock trigger. In reality, it comes down to personal preference.

August 2, 2009, 05:07 PM	#13
Kermit Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,020	Glock -- longer reputation for reliability and dependability esp in 9mm! Ask the Los Angeles County Sheriff's dept why the M&P is no longer approved for duty use!

August 2, 2009, 05:20 PM	#14
roman3 Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2007 Posts: 980	I'm used to the Glock and it would be my choice. Being American made does not mean much these days and it certainly is not synonymous with quality. For me the trigger reset or lack thereof in the M&P keeps me from embracing it. Try them both but of the 3 big mid priced Polymer guns (Glock, M&P and XD) the M&P would be last for me.

August 2, 2009, 05:45 PM	#15
plom Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Posts: 582	Hi Kermit, why is it not aproved anymore for duty use? __________________ DUX BELLORUM

August 2, 2009, 07:45 PM	#17
pabst_20 Member Join Date: January 6, 2009 Posts: 58	If my life was on the line I would want the M&P in my hand over a glock __________________ CCW Holder, Sig 239, Browning Hi Power, S&W 432PD, Rossi 38, HK USP compact, Para PDA LDA, kimber custom SIS, kimber tactical pro, kimber ultra CDP, Sig P238, beretta PX4sc, Marlin XL7 .270

August 2, 2009, 08:43 PM	#18
mcintosh02 Member Join Date: October 16, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 36	The glock design has proven itself, that is without question. However, glock could just as easily produce a pistol with better ergonomics, but they dont. The glock design is almost 30 years old now. Competitors have learned from glocks sucesses and timproved upon their mistakes. Id go with the M&P.

August 3, 2009, 03:14 PM	#20
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	glock, hands down.

August 3, 2009, 03:19 PM	#21
Boats Junior member Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 964	It has nothing to do with approval. Some people tout Glocks as the be all--end all--and some people think they are barely acceptable. If Glocks blow your skirt up so be it, but many people can and do better for themselves in polymer every time they pass up a typical service caliber Glock for a more updated design.

August 3, 2009, 03:33 PM	#22
predecessor Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2006 Posts: 802	I certainly prefer the M&P to the Glock. But why couldn't S&W make take down on the M&P a little easier? Just goes to show that no gun is perfect. __________________ ________________________________________________________________________ The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

August 3, 2009, 03:56 PM	#23
bangbangshootshoot Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 231	I've fired both & liked the feel of the Smith, so decided to go with the M&P; (9c is my concealed carry) -predecessor; I find take down quite easy. I never use the frame tool to let down the sear deactivation lever though, just use my pinky finger or the eraser end of a pencil.

August 3, 2009, 04:12 PM	#24
Logs Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 1999 Location: BLUEGRASS STATE KY USA Posts: 1,551	Flip a coin I own the G19 and MP9, both go bang, both shoot really good groups. It really comes down to you and how each will fit you. I can get use to either trigger and both of mine have the rails for lights.

August 3, 2009, 05:31 PM	#25
donmor53 Member Join Date: July 15, 2009 Location: Cypress Tx Posts: 74	As far as the polymers go...I have owned Glocks since shortly after the 17s hit the American market. Since I've purchased my 17, 23 and 27...many have added polymers to their product lines. I have managed to handle and shoot one S&W as well as several of the other manufacturers samples. Unless an MP9 proved to be remarkably more accurate than my 17...(and the one I shot was not)...I'll stick with the proven record of dependability Glock has world wide. I don't know...call me too conservative but that is the way I feel. That said...if I had to carry one in harms way on a daily basis...I would most likely trade either for a Sig or HK polymer. Until totally convinced about polymers (I more of a traditionalist I guess)...I'll carry my Sig 239 or 229 for CCW.