Are There Laws About Shotgun Lengths?

Michael The Disciple · August 1, 2009, 10:51 PM

I never owned one so had to ask. I have been looking at the Grizzly Shotguns from China. One has a 12.5 inch barrel the other a 15. Are these short guns legal in America? Thanks!

TxGun · August 1, 2009, 11:10 PM

n/a

TxGun · August 1, 2009, 11:13 PM

Not unless they are appropriately registered with BATF and a 1-time $200 tax stamp, per weapon, is obtained. Unless you successfully complete those steps, you are illegal. An 18" barrel and 26" overall length are the "usual" minimums.

Michael The Disciple · August 1, 2009, 11:17 PM

Thanks a lot!

Hawg Haggen · August 1, 2009, 11:52 PM

Shotguns can't be imported from China anymore.

TxGun · August 2, 2009, 12:01 AM

Not exactly correct. For example, the NEF Pardner series of pump shotguns is made in China. (Very good guns for the money, BTW).

**hogdogs** · August 2, 2009, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Shotguns can't be imported from China anymore.

This remark deserves a link substantiating the claim. It would be a very recent change. So should be easy to research a link for us.
Brent

Tommy Vercetti · August 2, 2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Shotguns can't be imported from China anymore.

unsubstantiated claims like this are nothing new here

Bill DeShivs · August 2, 2009, 12:58 AM

Shotguns with barrels less than 18" PROBABLY can't be imported into the US.

PetahW · August 2, 2009, 07:54 AM

Sure they can, as witness the importation of the 12" Benelli 12ga Entry Gun for "LE only" - but they're from Italy, and I dunno 'bout China.

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Technosavant · August 2, 2009, 04:40 PM

There isn't much point in importing el cheapo Chinese shotguns. If you are willing to pay the $200 tax, then you aren't shopping $150 shotguns.

Dragon55 · August 2, 2009, 04:43 PM

Are There Laws About Shotgun Lengths?

Apparently not. Unless 3" is the minimum..... Taurus Judge?????

**hogdogs** · August 2, 2009, 04:54 PM

The taurus is not a shotgun. It is a pistol capable of also firing the .410.
contender had a 12 gauge barrel for their pistol frames but it was dropped due to it being a SBS and not available without jumping thru the poodle hoops. I think that is why they stopped making it IIRC.
Brent

Hkmp5sd · August 2, 2009, 04:56 PM

hotdogs said it first.

polkey · August 2, 2009, 04:57 PM

I believe it's just norinco thats banned from import, not all of china. And as far as the judge, it is still considered a handgun because it has a rifled barrel, albeit very shallow rifling.

ISC · August 2, 2009, 05:06 PM

Clinton banned the importation of all firearms and ammo from China in 1994. I can't remember if it was part of the 94 "crime bill" or by executive order. I think it was the latter.

**hogdogs** · August 2, 2009, 05:18 PM

No I think it was only certain Assault weapons and with a certain amount of american components they too were legal....
Charles Daly stayed in business!

Have ya'll not been aware that 870 chinese knock offs have been around for decades?
Brent

Hkmp5sd · August 2, 2009, 05:34 PM

Clinton made a deal with China aka Norinco that in return for stopping the importation of SKS rifles and tons of cheap 7.62x39 ammo, the US would continue to give China "Most Favored Nation" status. In addition, he would close US bases and lease the land to China, lease US ports to China and he would accept millions in illegal campaign contributions. All to "save the children."

BillM · August 2, 2009, 06:53 PM

Not saying you could import one, but if the shorty shotgun was originally
manufactured that way and not cut down from a longer gun the tax may not be $200.

It might be considered an AOW (any other weapon) and the tax is $5. If it has a pistol grip, AOW. Buttstock? SBS and a $200
stamp.

Dragon55 · August 2, 2009, 08:13 PM

Too bad the Judge doesn't have a Hastings Paradox rifled barrel. Then by a quirk it would be a shotgun. That is if we are going to continue to call slug guns with this feature shotguns.

dogtown tom · August 3, 2009, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Hkmp5sd Clinton made a deal with China aka Norinco that in return for stopping the importation of SKS rifles and tons of cheap 7.62x39 ammo, the US would continue to give China "Most Favored Nation" status. In addition, he would close US bases and lease the land to China, lease US ports to China and he would accept millions in illegal campaign contributions. All to "save the children."

Whut?
What U.S. bases were closed and then leased to China?
What U.S. ports were leased to China?

Answer none.
Makes the rest of your off-topic post look less than credible.
While I despise Bill Clinton, I also can't stand tin foil hat conspiracy theorists hijacking a thread.

**hogdogs** · August 3, 2009, 11:31 AM

Here is the story... I do not know if it went thru as I ain't in the mood to read the story....
https://www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/393

Quote:

Publication Date: June 1998

Publisher: Library of Congress. Congressional Research Service

Topic: Government (Internal security)

Permanent Link: http://hdl.handle.net/10207/393

Coverage: California; China

Abstract:

At issue is a proposal by the City of Long Beach, California, to build a container terminal at the site of a closed naval station and a lease (now canceled) for the terminal to be operated by China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO). COSCO is a commercial shipping company owned by China. The proposed expansion of COSCO's facilities at the Port of Long Beach has raised issues concerning smuggling of guns by Chinese defense-related companies, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, intelligence collection, and access to U.S. and Panamanian ports. In response, senior Administration officials have written that COSCO's use of a terminal to be built on former Naval property would not adversely affect national security. Meanwhile, a lawsuit to block construction of the terminal (not the lease with COSCO) has resulted in cancellation of the lease and delays in construction. The Navy completed its environmental impact report on May 26, 1998, which approved Long Beach's reuse plan. Some in Congress have raised national security concerns about this proposed lease. Other Members say that, based on intelligence briefings, the proposed lease poses no national security threats. The Defense Authorization Act for FY1998-1999 (P.L. 105-85) contains a compromise in Section 2826 that prohibits the Navy to convey the closed naval station to COSCO but allows the President to waive the ban. Current Congressional proposals by Rep. Hunter and Sen. Inhofe to the Defense Authorization Act for FY 1999 (H.R. 3616, S. 2057) would remove the waiver authority.

Not all spooky tales are tin foil hat conspiracy theorist generated

Your apology is awaited...
Brent

GringoGrande · August 3, 2009, 11:43 AM

USA still gets China firearm imports. Jing, mfg in China still has shotguns (pumps, dbls, O/U) coming to the USA, also some M1A's are made in China, there is a remake of the win97 hammer pump shotgun here from China. I believe what Clinton tried to do and failed to get passed was stem the import of China made SKS, Mak, Mal, AK47 and AK74 type firearms.

He was sucessful however in stemming the import of China Made NFA weapons after 1997. So Short Barreled SG and AOW from China are not allowed to be imported. There may have been a waiver made here and there, but is not standard practice.

dogtown tom · August 3, 2009, 11:46 AM

Hogdogs,

Read what you posted.

That was a proposal by the City of Long Beach (NOT the US .gov) for a PREVIOUSLY closed naval station.

It's completely unfounded to say that Clinton closed the naval station in order to lease it to the Chinese.

I'll gladly apologise if I am in error. So far I'm not.

GringoGrande · August 3, 2009, 11:52 AM

Dogtown........ High Five on giving the trans discounts to LE, MIL and TEACHERS.... fantastic, just simply fantastic.

August 1, 2009, 10:51 PM	#1
Michael The Disciple Junior Member Join Date: July 25, 2009 Posts: 5	Are There Laws About Shotgun Lengths? I never owned one so had to ask. I have been looking at the Grizzly Shotguns from China. One has a 12.5 inch barrel the other a 15. Are these short guns legal in America? Thanks!

August 1, 2009, 11:10 PM	#2
TxGun Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Texas Hill Country ranch Posts: 433	n/a Last edited by TxGun; August 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM.

August 1, 2009, 11:52 PM	#5
Hawg Haggen Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 10,377	Shotguns can't be imported from China anymore. __________________ http://blackpowdertimes.com/index.php

August 2, 2009, 12:01 AM	#6
TxGun Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Texas Hill Country ranch Posts: 433	Not exactly correct. For example, the NEF Pardner series of pump shotguns is made in China. (Very good guns for the money, BTW). Last edited by TxGun; August 2, 2009 at 12:09 AM.

August 2, 2009, 12:58 AM	#9
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 6,479	Shotguns with barrels less than 18" PROBABLY can't be imported into the US. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

August 1, 2009, 11:13 PM	#3
TxGun Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Texas Hill Country ranch Posts: 433	Not unless they are appropriately registered with BATF and a 1-time $200 tax stamp, per weapon, is obtained. Unless you successfully complete those steps, you are illegal. An 18" barrel and 26" overall length are the "usual" minimums.

August 1, 2009, 11:17 PM	#4
Michael The Disciple Junior Member Join Date: July 25, 2009 Posts: 5	Thanks a lot!

August 2, 2009, 07:54 AM	#10
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 3,398	Sure they can, as witness the importation of the 12" Benelli 12ga Entry Gun for "LE only" - but they're from Italy, and I dunno 'bout China. .

August 2, 2009, 04:40 PM	#11
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 3,667	There isn't much point in importing el cheapo Chinese shotguns. If you are willing to pay the $200 tax, then you aren't shopping $150 shotguns.

August 2, 2009, 04:43 PM	#12
Dragon55 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2009 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 811	Are There Laws About Shotgun Lengths? Apparently not. Unless 3" is the minimum..... Taurus Judge????? __________________ sailing ... A way to spend lots of money and go real S L O W

August 2, 2009, 04:54 PM	#13
hogdogs Staff Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 10,720	The taurus is not a shotgun. It is a pistol capable of also firing the .410. contender had a 12 gauge barrel for their pistol frames but it was dropped due to it being a SBS and not available without jumping thru the poodle hoops. I think that is why they stopped making it IIRC. Brent __________________ Finally have designs going up in the Hogdogs Outdoor Apparel online store. http://www.cafepress.com/hogdogsoutdoorapparel Thanks for lookin'...

August 2, 2009, 04:56 PM	#14
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	hotdogs said it first. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

August 2, 2009, 04:57 PM	#15
polkey Junior Member Join Date: October 25, 2008 Posts: 5	I believe it's just norinco thats banned from import, not all of china. And as far as the judge, it is still considered a handgun because it has a rifled barrel, albeit very shallow rifling.

August 2, 2009, 05:06 PM	#16
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	Clinton banned the importation of all firearms and ammo from China in 1994. I can't remember if it was part of the 94 "crime bill" or by executive order. I think it was the latter.

August 2, 2009, 05:18 PM	#17
hogdogs Staff Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 10,720	No I think it was only certain Assault weapons and with a certain amount of american components they too were legal.... Charles Daly stayed in business! Have ya'll not been aware that 870 chinese knock offs have been around for decades? Brent __________________ Finally have designs going up in the Hogdogs Outdoor Apparel online store. http://www.cafepress.com/hogdogsoutdoorapparel Thanks for lookin'...

August 2, 2009, 05:34 PM	#18
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	Clinton made a deal with China aka Norinco that in return for stopping the importation of SKS rifles and tons of cheap 7.62x39 ammo, the US would continue to give China "Most Favored Nation" status. In addition, he would close US bases and lease the land to China, lease US ports to China and he would accept millions in illegal campaign contributions. All to "save the children." __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

August 2, 2009, 06:53 PM	#19
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 215	Not saying you could import one, but if the shorty shotgun was originally manufactured that way and not cut down from a longer gun the tax may not be $200. It might be considered an AOW (any other weapon) and the tax is $5. If it has a pistol grip, AOW. Buttstock? SBS and a $200 stamp. Last edited by BillM; August 2, 2009 at 07:08 PM.

August 2, 2009, 08:13 PM	#20
Dragon55 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2009 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 811	Too bad the Judge doesn't have a Hastings Paradox rifled barrel. Then by a quirk it would be a shotgun. That is if we are going to continue to call slug guns with this feature shotguns. __________________ sailing ... A way to spend lots of money and go real S L O W

August 3, 2009, 11:43 AM	#23
GringoGrande Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2009 Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 131	USA still gets China firearm imports. Jing, mfg in China still has shotguns (pumps, dbls, O/U) coming to the USA, also some M1A's are made in China, there is a remake of the win97 hammer pump shotgun here from China. I believe what Clinton tried to do and failed to get passed was stem the import of China made SKS, Mak, Mal, AK47 and AK74 type firearms. He was sucessful however in stemming the import of China Made NFA weapons after 1997. So Short Barreled SG and AOW from China are not allowed to be imported. There may have been a waiver made here and there, but is not standard practice. __________________ If you don't stand behind our troops, then how about you standing in front of them. Next time you see a vet or active duty USA Military person, just say thank you, they will know what it is for. Last edited by GringoGrande; August 3, 2009 at 11:49 AM.

August 3, 2009, 11:46 AM	#24
dogtown tom Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2006 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 1,284	Hogdogs, Read what you posted. That was a proposal by the City of Long Beach (NOT the US .gov) for a PREVIOUSLY closed naval station. It's completely unfounded to say that Clinton closed the naval station in order to lease it to the Chinese. I'll gladly apologise if I am in error. So far I'm not. __________________ Need a FFL in north Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Just EMAIL me. $20 transfers ($10 for CHL, active military,police,fire or schoolteachers)

August 3, 2009, 11:52 AM	#25
GringoGrande Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2009 Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 131	Dogtown........ High Five on giving the trans discounts to LE, MIL and TEACHERS.... fantastic, just simply fantastic. __________________ If you don't stand behind our troops, then how about you standing in front of them. Next time you see a vet or active duty USA Military person, just say thank you, they will know what it is for.