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Old August 14, 2009, 08:02 AM   #26
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There is a huge difference between a $600 and $1,000 shotgun...

There is an equally distinct difference between a $1,200 and $2,500 one

There is a subtle one between a $2,500 and $4,000 but

There is little difference between a $5,000 and an $8,000 one except cosmetics...I love my K80!
I'm rather new to sporting clays / skeet shooting. I generally know there's a quality difference between the guns in the ranges you've described. I did some resarch when I purchased my O/U, but basically relied on a good friend's advice in purchasing my O/U. However, I've never really had anyone lay out what the technical and mechanical differences are (not cosmetic) that distinguishes a $2,000 shotgun from say a $4,000 shotgun. Other than cosmetics and manufacture's reputation (and I know that cosmetics counts for a substantial amount), does anyone really know what seperates an under $2,000 O/U from a $4,000 O/U?
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Old August 14, 2009, 09:58 AM   #27
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Just a couple things that popped into my head:

type of action,
Type of release used to open the action,
type of claws used to lock the action,
type of safety and where located,
type of firing system,
type of extractors/ejectors used,
whether a rib is installed and what kind,
type and number of beads,
type of steel used in the barrel and actions,
Type of chokes used,
Type of treatment to the forcing cones, porting barrels or backbored,
type of forearm and grip…

Type and quality of wood and engraving are cosmetics…
fit and finish, wood to metal fit, quality of browning or blueing (lustre) are cosmetic to a degree but an important degree…

Custom dimensions -- cant on/off, cast on/off, length of pull (LOP), drop of/at heel (DOH), drop of/at toe (DOT) may or may not be or may only partially be included in the price and whether or not set with a try gun and a fitter…

Things like type of gun case provided, if any, if adjustable chokes number included and which ones, fitted recoil pad or butt plate and if metal or plastic, ribbed or smooth...

It just adds more questions not answers, but I hope it helps...

A few books you might want to read about shotguns -- their design history:

Boothroyd On British Shotguns
Shotguns And Gunsmiths: The Vintage Years
**The Shotgun: History And Development
Sidelocks And Boxlocks
The British Over And Under Shotgun

all by Geoffrey Boothroyd

Shotguns And Shooting
More Shotguns And Shooting
Best Guns
**Shotgun Technicana
The Gun Review

all by Michael McIntosh

Book Of Shotguns
by James Marchington

Book Of The Shotgun
by John Olson

The Shotgun Encyclopedia
by John Taylor

Shotgunning Trends In Transition
Grand Old Shotguns
The Double Shotgun
Shotgun Stuff

all by Don Zutz

The American Shotgun
by Col. Charles Askins and another completely different book of the same title
by David F. Butler

and if you can find one
Keith On Shotguns
by Elmer Keith

These 25 titles/26 books cover everything known on shotguns
** must reads
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Old August 14, 2009, 10:32 AM   #28
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i just saw it yesterday,,a guy had a 28" Citori,,,,$650,,,on one of these forums,,,,might have been the THR

i have 2 of these shot guns,,,the first one i bought in "73-74",,,some where along in there,,i would not take $650 for the one i have,,,i don't have any idea how many rounds have been down the tubes,,,,skeet,sporting clays,,,bird hunting,,rabbit hunting,,,turkey,,you name it

if you can find it and it is not already gone it would fill the bill for you for a long time


tommyb,,,i just found that Citori,,,on this forum,,, it is still for sale!!!! rap_55 has it,,, 12 ga. Browning 28" Citori,,,,,i don't think you will do much better

i don't know the guy but sounds like a good deal to me,,,if you are interested i would tag this thing i don't think it will hang around long at that price,,,i could be wrong,,,but i don't think so

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Old August 14, 2009, 02:08 PM   #29
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There is a huge difference between a $600 and $1,000 shotgun...

There is an equally distinct difference between a $1,200 and $2,500 one

There is a subtle one between a $2,500 and $4,000 but

There is little difference between a $5,000 and an $8,000 one except cosmetics...I love my K80!
I'm rather new to sporting clays / skeet shooting. I generally know there's a quality difference between the guns in the ranges you've described. I did some resarch when I purchased my O/U, but basically relied on a good friend's advice in purchasing my O/U. However, I've never really had anyone lay out what the technical and mechanical differences are (not cosmetic) that distinguishes a $2,000 shotgun from say a $4,000 shotgun. Other than cosmetics and manufacture's reputation (and I know that cosmetics counts for a substantial amount), does anyone really know what seperates an under $2,000 O/U from a $4,000 O/U?
Between a 2 and 4 k gun - it will usually be better wood (straighter grain through the wrist). utilize a BOSS type action or similar; have more attention paid to barrels - both convergence and trueness; will have a tighter lockup requiring replacement at 200,000 instead of 100,000 rounds; have better choke tubes that are more true in the barrel.

IMO, where you really start to see the differences is when you jump from the 4K guns to the 8-10K guns. Those would be the Perazzis, Beretta DT-10's, Kreighoffs, and Kolar ranges.......These guns are made for one thing - crushing targets over and over and over and over - thousands of targets a week - with no hiccups or malfunctions. Go to the major matches and see what the serious folks use - both here and abroad - there is a reason Perazzi is in the winner's circle at the Olympics - and it isn't sponsorship. There's a reason Kreighoff is seen at American sporting events in record numbers - and it isn't sponsorship - these guns work - ALL the time, EVERY time - serious competitors can't afford a malfunction of a gun that costs them a bird. In a serious match 1 bird can mean being tied with 15 others for first, or losing....
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