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Old July 27, 2009, 12:04 AM   #1
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Affordable O/U

The range I usually go to only has singles trap, so my 870 has been more than capable of breaking clays. I just started going to a different range that has doubles trap, and skeet. I really want to get into skeet because that looks like a blast, so I've been pondering the idea of getting and O/U. I know I could use the 870 for doubles trap, and possibly skeet, but I've always wanted an O/U and this seems like a good excuse to buy one.

I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to O/U so I thought I'd ask you guys about a cheap O/U. I want something that is reliable, that I dont have to worry about breaking or anything like that. I dont really care about the finish or anything. One day I hope to buy a nice Browning or Beretta O/U, but for now i just need something reliable and fairly inexpensive (if there is such a thing with O/U)
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Old July 27, 2009, 12:09 AM   #2
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I think Ruger's Red Label shotgun's are fairly inexpensive. About $1000.
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Old July 27, 2009, 06:46 AM   #3
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Look at the Spartan series from Remington. We have sold several and they are pretty serviceable and reliable.

just one I found on GB at random:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=135039825
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Old July 27, 2009, 08:35 AM   #4
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ut for now i just need something reliable and fairly inexpensive (if there is such a thing with O/U)
Not really......and I say this because, as you get into shooting shotguns, you be will shooting several rounds each visit. It's not hard to shoot 100-250 shells in a visit. Most of the cheap O/U's are really geared towards the casual hunter/shooter and not for the demands of a competition level. This will result in the gun spending more time at your gunsmith getting fixed and will then wind up costing you as much or more than the better gun from the beginning. If the Browning/Beretta new ones are out of your budget at the moment, look at used. Don't also rule out a Beretta/Browning/Remington semi as an in-between step - they will take the usage, and when you are ready to move up to a good O/U, you will be able to get most, if not all, of your money back from selling it.
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Old July 27, 2009, 08:43 AM   #5
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If you can't afford a new Browning, Beretta, or other quality O/U at this time try to find a good clean used one. If you can't take a look at a used Remington 1100 or similar Beretta and shoot it until you can upgrade. You want a solid gun that can stand up to lots of shooting and many, if not most, of the cheaper guns don't.

My first trap gun was a used Remington 1100 Classic Trap. Still use it for a back up gun and it's been 100% reliable.
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Old July 27, 2009, 09:19 AM   #6
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+1 on the Spartan series from Remington

I have a single barrel works great for trap.
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Old July 27, 2009, 09:21 AM   #7
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What about Stoeger products? Are they any good? The condor "looks" like a nice gun, but I've never seen any reviews for them.

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/fir..._and_combo.php

I'm just a casual shooter, my ranges arent open enough for me to be really into it. I've never shot over 100 rounds (shells) in a visit. I usually go 75, then give the gun a full cleaning when I get home.
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Old July 27, 2009, 09:49 AM   #8
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Stevens 512=very nice for under $600!

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Old July 27, 2009, 10:10 AM   #9
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Used B guns can be had for 1000 if you shop hard. these guns are getting broken in at 50K rounds.
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Old July 27, 2009, 10:16 AM   #10
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I'd recommend starting out at skeet with your current 870; I don't find that mine puts me at significant disadvantage.

But still, O/Us are what most use (with a significant fraction using autoloaders like the Beretta 390/391 and Remington 1100). I think the Ruger Red Label has climbed in price; MSRP on them is much closer to $2000, but street prices should be lower (still not exactly "affordable" except by comparison to even more expensive ones). Remington no longer sells their Spartan line, but the exact same shotguns can be found under the original Baikal label; they were just imported under "Remington Spartan." Good luck on your hunt for an affordable O/U- let us know how it goes.
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Old July 27, 2009, 10:31 AM   #11
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+1 on what OneOunce said - and there are a lot of good used Browning and Berettas out there.

Before you spend that kind of money on a gun - you need to figure out the issue of Fit - and taking your 870 to a pattern board will be a big key. You need to know how much drop at comb and heel fits you - so the gun hits where you look ( or if you need no drop - with a parallel comb ) .... or you may go thru 2 or 3 guns before you figure it out / which might cost you thousands of dollars. Shoot as many guns as you can in the meantime - don't get too hung up on brand name or wood - look for and discuss durability, fit, etc ....

For my money - the most versatile - and easily fit gun to many shooters - is the Browning XS Skeet Citori model with a parallel adj comb. New they're retailing for around $ 2,800 but I see a few used.

A better interim gun would be a semi-auto like the Beretta 390 / 391's .... for around $ 1,000. Its also a gun that is easy to sell if you want to move into an O/U down the road.
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Old July 28, 2009, 12:48 AM   #12
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I searched the interwebz all day while at was at work (shhhh...dont tell the boss) and I found a lot of good reviews on the Stoeger Condor from people that own them, and did not find a single bad review on them. Anybody here own one that can chime in?
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Old July 28, 2009, 03:24 AM   #13
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seems like you'll find bad reviews from guys that don't own them or guys that got a bad apple! You never hear the guy that spent $1200 on his o/u tell anyone that he had problems with it though? They do have problems with them, just dont say too much.

Bottom line is.....you may get 10,000 rds out of a Stoeger without any problems, but you may get 250 rds and have a problem! If you got 250 rds out of a Browning or Beretta, they guys would all just tell you "send it back they'll fix it!" But if you buy a Stoeger, they'll raz you and say, "you get what you pay for"?
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Old July 28, 2009, 06:56 AM   #14
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listen to one once and big jim. i HAD a stoeger comp. you MAY get a good stoeger or not.their quality control is so-so.if you only shoot maybe a 100 rounds a month it may last a long time. mine didn't give me any trouble but i always had that thought in the back of my head,will it keep running or not? if you look around good deals can be found on one of the "B" guns.here is a picture of my find(got it for 750.00)


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Old July 28, 2009, 09:04 AM   #15
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What is your max budget?

I've heard good things about Veronas and Milanos, but have never shot one. I have also heard good things about CZs.

I have a Stoeger Condor Supreme. Would I buy one again? Maybe, its been back to Stoeger twice for one barrel not firing, but that said, both times CS was excellent. I would probably save up a little more and go with a used B gun.

I now own a Rizzini as well and the two guns are night and day, but that said the Rizinni is 4-5X the cost.
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Old August 11, 2009, 01:46 PM   #16
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Mossberg

Have you looked at the mossberg O/U Sliver Reserve? There a fairly modestly priced gun with the saftey on the tang! This is a perfectly natural action to turn on and off compared to the fumbling on an 870! The silver reserve also comes in a combo pack so you can change from 12 ga to 20! The kit comes with 5 chokes and still is under the 900$ range!
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Old August 11, 2009, 03:05 PM   #17
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As one poster said above, he's had a Stoeger and it has been back to them twice. I've had my Gti (Browning) since 1995. It went to Browning after I messed with, and cracked, the stock. Otherwise, the first real repair came early this year after about 85,000-95,000 rounds. A local gunsmith was able to install new springs and firing pins and tighten the locking back up.

How many Stoegers or other similar quality make it to 95,000 without something breaking?

THAT'S what you need to ask yourself - no matter the brand. No one wants to spend their money and then soon after, have that item need repair. I've been reading here and on other boards about the issues folks are having with their new Remingtons. It's not totally brand specific - but guns built to cheap price points can be done that way because quality labor-intensive hand work isn't being done where it needs to be.

Is my Gti the be-all, end-all? Not at all. I can notice huge differences between it and friends' Perazzis and Kreighoffs, and if I had the cash right now, one of them would be in the safe.

As you climb up the quality (and price) ladder, subtle difference start to become apparent - machining, wood to metal fit and finish, trigger smoothness and crispness, bluing, barrel trueness, quality (and beauty) of the wood, etc.........all those things that can really make a difference in how well the gun shoots and therefore how well you shoot.
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Old August 11, 2009, 09:12 PM   #18
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Citoris don't wear out they wear in.
You can find Charles Daly copies of the citori for about 500 and I know of at least one that is bulletproof so to speak.

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Old August 12, 2009, 11:01 AM   #19
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Like others have said, go with a Beretta. Even a used entry level Beretta will be far superior to most fancy looking field guns. Field guns just can't take the pounding needed for sporting clays and skeet shooting. I looked at the Ruger Red Labels and I wasn't impressed at all with the quality of workmanship. For the price Ruger wants for their O/U's I could have purchased a decent used Beretta White Onyx. I bet you could find one used for well under $1,000 if you look.

FWIW, when I was at the skeet range in Atlanta, they were renting Beretta White Onyx's. I shot with one of these, and eventhough you could see that it saw quite a bit of use and abuse, it functioned flawlessly.
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Old August 12, 2009, 02:52 PM   #20
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In the lower end of the "quality" arena - I would consider Berettas, Browning and SKB. You need to try each of them, because they will all fit differently to you than they will to me. Not a bad thing, but usually, if the Browning fits you well, odds are the other two won't, and vice versa. If possible, you might want to look into having an adjustable comb, perhaps even an adjustable butt plate installed. Those things will let you really dial the stock fit in even more and make mounting it totally second nature so you can focus on the bird
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Old August 12, 2009, 09:19 PM   #21
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Have you looked at the mossberg O/U Sliver Reserve?
I had one that would fire both barrels every now and then. I'll go along with the "you get what you pay for" crowd.
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Old August 13, 2009, 12:47 PM   #22
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I cringe a little when I see a title like "Affordable O/U...

I can buy a flannel shirt at a box store for a few bucks.

Or I can get another "Chamois" shirt from Bean for about 3X that.

The Wallie shirt will be cleaning patches in a few years. Maybe just one.

The Bean will just be getting nice and soft in 2015.

Good O/Us take top quality materials, design and workmanship. None of these come cheap.

Cheap O/Us tend not to last. The barrels may shoot to different Zip Codes or go off together with just one pull of the trigger.

Cheap O/Us oft are made in Third World nations, with changing ownership, warranty work and parts availability.

But, one can find something worthwhile without leaving the kids shoeless and hungry.

Used mid grade O/Us are out there.

SKBs are great guns for the money.

So are Winchester 101s.

Used Citoris and Onyxes turn up now and then.

Even Mariocchis, oft overlooked but quality, can be found at times and made into your new favorite.

Any of these will maintain resale value much better than the low end stuff.

Skip the cheapies. In the long run they can be more expensive, not less.
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Old August 13, 2009, 01:23 PM   #23
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I'd like to add one more possibility--the Traditions (Fausti Stefano). I had a really neat little 20 with 26" tubes. It comes up great, with a nice palm swell, Schnabel forend, and contoured recoil pad. The selector is on the trigger--not as handy, but well enough for the money. I sold it off for more cash than I paid for it, basically because it only came with three choke tubes. I like to shoot both barrels fairly open, and they don't make a Skeet II or an Improved Modified. I could have bought some online-which is exactly the only way you can get them, for $26.99 back then. They are only interchangeable with American Arms, which was another negative for me. Overall, the gun is still a great hunter for the price.

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Old August 13, 2009, 06:12 PM   #24
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There is a huge difference between a $600 and $1,000 shotgun...

There is an equally distinct difference between a $1,200 and $2,500 one

There is a subtle one between a $2,500 and $4,000 but

There is little difference between a $5,000 and an $8,000 one except cosmetics...I love my K80!

Try finding a $1,200+ model used or better still a $2,500+ one...

Pawn shops, shotgun ranges, newspapers, might produce something good but I've almost never seen a really good deal on E-Bay or Gun Broker...some auction houses, estate sales especially, might be the best bet...
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Old August 13, 2009, 07:16 PM   #25
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For what its worth - in my area we have one Pawn Shop - that is virtually a used gun store ....

Right now for sale ( at least as of Tue ) - in Browning O/U's only - he has a dozen or more Citori's used - and 3 or 4 new ones / lower end models like the Lightning and higher end guns like the XS Skeet or XT Trap / he has a couple of Browning Cynergy's - one is new. All priced from $ 900 - $4,000 probably.

He probably has 8 Berettas / a couple of Perazzi's / at least one Krieghoff ...
from $ 900 - $10,000 probably.

and probably 2 dozen new and used Semi-autos / and a whole lot of pump guns new and used.....in all price ranges.

You just need to find the shop in your area that has the "used" guns that you need or want. ( he also about 100 rifles / and probably 200 handguns new and used - from higher end 1911's - to Glocks, etc ). And if you don't go by there at least once a week / you've missed an opportunity on any number of things that come and go very quickly ......

And he will order whatever you want new - from Browning, Perazzi, Krieghoff - or Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Ed Brown, Sig, H&K, etc in handguns / or scopes / or whatever you want ...... and he's a great guy.
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