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Old July 23, 2009, 07:29 AM   #1
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Powder choice for lead bullets in 9mm

I'm going to be loading up some lead bullets for 9mm (125gr) and I'm wondering what the best choce would be for powder. I have tons of W231 so I'd like to use that if it's a good option. I also have some Titegroup, WSF, AA5, and AA7 on hand.
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Old July 23, 2009, 07:54 AM   #2
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My favorite 9mm powder is Bullseye (all I shoot is cast bullets.) But I really like WSF in other cartridges, I just haven't tried it in 9mm yet.
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Old July 23, 2009, 08:09 AM   #3
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W-W 231 is fast becoming my most popular for cast use. Dont overlook Bullseye either.

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Old July 23, 2009, 08:15 AM   #4
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Win 231/HP-38 works great in 9mm with lead bullets!! Also, 40 S&W and 45 ACP. Seems like a load of 4.2 grs (+/- .2 grs) with 124 gr lead bullet was about right. DON'T TAKE MY WORD THOUGH; LOOK IT UP IN A LOADING MANUAL!!!
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Old July 23, 2009, 08:15 AM   #5
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W231 works fine for me I use 4.0g with a COLA 1.125 with Cast.125g .355
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Old July 23, 2009, 08:32 AM   #6
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I tried W231, it shot well. I loaded 4.1 grs, chronographed that. Decided that I could bump it up a 0.1 grain, and loaded some more.

It is a good powder. Been using Bullseye, that too is a good powder.



9 MM Parabellum

M92 FS Beretta Bar Sto Barrel


125 LRN .356" 3.5 grs Bullseye S&W cases WSP OAL 1.110"
27-Mar-06 T = 58 °F

accurate, high percentage failure to feed

Ave Vel = 986.5
Std Dev = 9.21
ES 25.78
High 992.9
Low 972.9
N = 14


125 LRN .356" 4.0 grs Bullseye S&W cases WSP OAL 1.110"
27-Mar-06 T = 58 °F
accurate, consistant function

Ave Vel = 1114
Std Dev =20.63
ES7 9.03
High 1167
Low 1088
N = 32

125 LRN .356" 4.1grs W231 Lot 8UB9 Mixed cases WSP OAL 1.10"
20-Jun-09 T = 90 °F

Ave Vel = 1033
Std Dev = 11.53
ES = 44.11
High = 1066
Low = 1022
N = 12


125 gr FMJ Olympic Factory 27-Mar-06 T = 61 °F

Ave Vel = 1261
Std Dev =20?
ES 63.11
High 1288
Low 1225
N = 10
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Old July 23, 2009, 08:50 AM   #7
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231's a great powder but is smoky with lead bullets; I shoot outside so it's not really an issue with me.
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Old July 23, 2009, 09:49 AM   #8
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Here is another vote for W231 and lead. It has worked well for me.
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Old July 23, 2009, 09:56 AM   #9
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WSF is more lead friendly than 231. I recommend it over 231.
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Old July 23, 2009, 10:30 AM   #10
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Seems no one uses Unique anymore I have used it for more years than I 'd admit to. Never had a problem but if I were to run out Bullseye or W-231 are both great powders.
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Old July 23, 2009, 11:10 AM   #11
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231 has always been my go to powder for just about all handgun applications.

I'd be lost without it.
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Old July 23, 2009, 11:22 AM   #12
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Seems no one uses Unique anymore I have used it for more years than I 'd admit to. Never had a problem but if I were to run out Bullseye or W-231 are both great powders.
I *love* Unique for loading .380 ACP. I haven't used it much for anything else except occasionally in .38 Specials. It's supposed to really be good in .45 Colt and .44 Special.

You wanna talk unloved powders, that's Hodgdon's International, a.k.a. "International Clays".
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Old July 23, 2009, 12:31 PM   #13
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I'm with Mike on the versatility of 231. It's taking the place of many other powders in .38, 9mm, .357, 44S, 44M, and 45ACP. All with cast bullets.
I still prefer 2400 for the top end performance in the 357 and 44 Mag, but I rarely shoot these, as my hands won't stand the abuse much.
If this says anything, there are 14-14 1# containers of pistol powder on my shelf, but 2 8# jugs of 231. I don't need that much 231, but found a really good deal!

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Old July 23, 2009, 12:41 PM   #14
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Strangley enough? I had great results with Unique and the cast lead 125's
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Old July 23, 2009, 01:57 PM   #15
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Another question guys. What's a good starting point for OAL in 9mm with 125gr roundnose lead pills? They'll be shot through a Glock 17L with a Lone Wolf barrel.
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Old July 23, 2009, 02:02 PM   #16
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Use the data OAL.

Generally I load to the longest OAL that will reliably feed from the magazine.
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Old July 23, 2009, 02:09 PM   #17
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The data OAL is all over the place from different sources. I'll start at the long end of the spectrum.
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Old July 23, 2009, 06:50 PM   #18
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OAL Suggestion

I was reading somewhere, that many of the OAL recommendations for 9mm are based on a small percentage of imported pistols. I went to the Vihta Vuori website and downloaded their manual. It lists most 9mm loads with an OAL of 1.142". I switched to this a while back, and have been very happy with it. I've had no problems with any magazines.
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Old July 23, 2009, 09:05 PM   #19
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TG burns pretty hot and will probably cause quite a bit of smoke, of course this not going to effect accuracy, but might not make friends in an indoor range. 231 is a nice powder. But, if you want to get new powder......N320 is great with lead!
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Old July 23, 2009, 10:19 PM   #20
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Here's another vote for BE and W231.
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Old July 23, 2009, 11:44 PM   #21
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Bullseye for 9mm and 231 for 45acp. Tried 231 in 9mm but a lot better grouping on bullseye. Jacked bullets in 9mm get 231.
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Old July 24, 2009, 11:56 PM   #22
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I use mainly Titegroup. Some loads are a bit smokey, but that's also partially the lubes fault.
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Old July 25, 2009, 07:59 AM   #23
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Unique gets my vote thats all i use in my 9mm loads.
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Old July 25, 2009, 04:23 PM   #24
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Headed to the range today with some 231 test loads. 4.2gr of 231 is scary accurate through my Glock 17L w/Lone Wolf barrel.
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