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Old July 2, 2009, 04:10 PM   #1
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270 win 130 grn ACCUBOND?

anyone familiar with this load. i see it is factory loaded.

i have yet to shoot anything walking with an accubond. loaded 200grn for the 300 and some 260 grn for the 375...will try them for elk this fall but the 270 is what my lady friend will be shootin hers with. was thinking 130 accubond would be good combo of low recoil and solid bullet structure.

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Old July 2, 2009, 10:33 PM   #2
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That round should be fine. Take her to the range to verify it works in her rifle. My .270 is a Win M70 that shoots CoreLokt 130gr very accurately. I usually use it for wild pigs but took my Rem M700 in .308 with me last week, taking a nice meat hog of about 100 pounds. Deee-Lish!!
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Old July 3, 2009, 08:18 AM   #3
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The Accubond is a Nosler Ballistic tip with a bonded core, I'm thinking the 130's might be a little light for elk. Had a friend who used 180's in his 06 and said they were not impressive. While they both killed the deer and elk he shot with them, he said they didn't hold together like he had hoped and there were a lot of bullet fragments in his animals.

If you want to use 130's I'd look towards Barnes TSX bullets in the .270 or go with the Nosler Partition in 150 grain. Every elk I've killed with a .270 I've used the 150 Nosler. The happy medium might be to use the 140 grain Accubond.
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Old July 3, 2009, 08:00 PM   #4
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I also would suggest the heavier Nosler partition.
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Old July 3, 2009, 08:40 PM   #5
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the 140 accubond completely explode on antelope in my 7mag. I have now switched to the barnes TSX
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Old July 3, 2009, 08:48 PM   #6
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I also would suggest the heavier Nosler partition.
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the 140 accubond completely explode on antelope in my 7mag. I have now switched to the barnes TSX
Having killed a number of animals (much tougher than antelope) e.g. hogs with a 7mm Remington Mag (and a 7 STW) with 140 grain accubonds.... your and my experience are quite different. If you were with me around a camp fire I would speak my mind in a little more direct fashion.

The 140 grain Accubond in the 270 Winchester is adequate for any game animal in North America short of the brown bears.

I personally love Reloader 22 with this bullet.

There is noting wrong with Barnes TSX it is a great bullet. I also like the Swift Sirocco very much. You will not go wrong with the Accu
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Old July 3, 2009, 08:56 PM   #7
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I have not taken anything larger than the antelope as I was worried about penetration. My only experience was from 1 box of winchester loads and 2 antelope taken at 200 and 250 yards. Neither bullet exited the animal and left huge entrance wounds. The antelope went down instantly but I hesitate to use them on Mule deer when an elk might also be available.
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Old July 3, 2009, 09:00 PM   #8
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I have shot 2 bull elk with the 130 grain Accubond in .270, neither one went more than 50 yards after being hit, one in the neck, (folded like a cheap suit) and the other was hit in the wheel-house, behind the shoulder. The behind the shoulder hit did fragment, but still did the job quiet well. Maybe it was because I was kinda close (200-225 yards).
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Old July 3, 2009, 09:03 PM   #9
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I have shot 2 bull elk with the 130 grain Accubond in .270, neither one went more than 50 yards after being hit, one in the neck, (folded like a cheap suit) and the other was hit in the wheel-house, behind the shoulder. The behind the shoulder hit did fragment, but still did the job quiet well. Maybe it was because I was kinda close (200-225 yards).
Based upon your experience I certainly cannot fault your logic! Curious, I have through and through on Hogs that are much larger at closer distances!

You might want to try the Swift bullet or Barnes... Maybe you will have better luck with those loads..

I am not questioning you at all.... I wonder if the manufacturing is that inconsistent?
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Old July 3, 2009, 09:07 PM   #10
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Why the heavier Nosler Partition? Well the Partition is still the standard by which all hunting bullets have to be judged by. The Partition has been with us longer than any other premium bullet as they have been around since 1948. They have earned their reputation and still continue to work just as well today over 60 years later. I know the Partition is my first choice in a premium bullet when I feel that they are needed, because standard or magnum cartridge they just plain work across differing velocity ranges.

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I have shot 2 bull elk with the 130 grain Accubond in .270, neither one went more than 50 yards after being hit, one in the neck, (folded like a cheap suit) and the other was hit in the wheel-house, behind the shoulder. The behind the shoulder hit did fragment, but still did the job quiet well. Maybe it was because I was kinda close (200-225 yards).
I have no doubt that they will work, I just like two holes through an elk, deer, or anything else I decide to put a bullet into. With the NP bullet I've never failed to get an exit wound. None of my elk have went any farther than yours either, but all of them have had an exit with my longest shot to date at 250 yards.
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Old July 3, 2009, 09:13 PM   #11
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Well the Partition is still the standard by which all hunting bullets have to be judged by. The Partition has been with us longer than any other premium bullet as they have been around since 1948. They have earned their reputation and still continue to work just as well today over 60 years later. I know the Partition is my first choice in a premium bullet when I feel that they are needed, because standard or magnum cartridge they just plain work across differing velocity ranges.
The Partition was the bullet all hunting bullets were judged by. That ship has sailed.

The Partition of 1948 is a very different bullet than the current partition. They are manufactured in a totally different manner.

Partitions do are accurate, and do work well across a wide variation of velocity, but they are no longer the gold standard and are certainly not superior to Nosler Accubonds or any other supper premium load. There is no reason to go to the heavier Nolser Partition over the Accubond.

It there is a gold standard in bullets...perhaps it is the Barnes X...
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Old July 4, 2009, 12:49 AM   #12
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Two years ago my brother in law and I went to South Africa. I used a 300 win mag with 180 gr partitioners. His gun wouldn't shoot them accurately, but he found the 180 gr Accubonds to be very accurate out of his gun in a 300 win mag also. With another guy that shared both our rifles, we all shot 5 to 6 animals a piece ranging from warthogs to gemsbok, kudu, and zebra. All the animals taken were one shot kills and the partitioners and accubonds performed great. All the bullets that were recovered expanded as designed with no fragmentation. Maybe we just got lucky, but that was quite a few heavier boned animals that they were used on. I wouldn't hesitate to use them on elk even with a 130 gr in a 270.
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Old July 4, 2009, 07:14 AM   #13
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I don't think the ship has sailed at all on the Partition. Yes they are made differently these days, as they are no longer lathe turned jackets. By improving the process that they are made, all they have done is keep the bullets affordable. The Partition's basic design has stayed unchanged since it was first made. It may not be the most modern bullet out there, but it will still be around as long as lead core bullets are being made.

There is a 140 grain Nosler Partition but I've never seen any factory ammunition made using that bullet, it has always been the 150. If the OP reloads this isn't a problem as he can use what ever is most accurate out of the .270 Win. 150's just shoot well out of my .270 Win and I wouldn't be afraid to take any shot on an elk with that combination within normal hunting distances and I know they work out to 250 yards no problem.

Barnes is a good bullet, and the trend sure seems to be going all copper with CA banning lead in Condor zones as well as other States doing lead in game meat studies. The problem I have with them is that they always recommend dropping weight, so keeping it relevant to the original post they would suggest the 130 grain bullet over the 150 grain in a .270. The reason is you need to drive these bullets faster to make them work better.

Copper is much harder to deform than lead and Barnes had a lot of expansion problems with the original X bullet; not to mention copper fouling and increased chamber pressures. That is why we now have the TSX and TTSX bullets, designed with deeper hollow points and ballistic tips to get the bullet to mushroom over a wider range of velocities, and groves to reduce copper fouling and chamber pressures. However the trend in these bullets in all calibers is to push them as hard as you can and I'd still prefer to shoot elk with a 150 grain bullet loping along at 2800+ fps than a 130 grain blazing along at 3000+ fps.

As far as the Accubond goes, I'm sure it is a great product just like everything else put out by Nosler. I just wrote what I was told by a close friend of mine when I was considering using the 180 grain Accubond on my Alaskan bear hunt but I went with a Partition instead. Partitions worked like expected, I punched a hole through both shoulders on my bear, leaving a golf ball sized exit in the off side at 200 yards DRT no tracking through the bush required. I could have probably done just as well with another bullet but the fact is Partitions still work even through heavy bone.

I will try the Accubonds as I picked up some 260 grain for my .375 Ruger at 50% off when the local gun shop went out of business. I'm sure they will do the job on any elk I come across if I'm able to put the bullet where it belongs. Since this is still a lead core bullet I would recommend using the heaviest Accubond that shoots accurately when hunting elk. 140 grain is the heaviest bullet in the Accubond and I think the 10 grains is just a little added insurance over the 130 grain.
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Old July 4, 2009, 11:32 AM   #14
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I don't think the ship has sailed at all on the Partition. Yes they are made differently these days, as they are no longer lathe turned jackets. By improving the process that they are made, all they have done is keep the bullets affordable. The Partition's basic design has stayed unchanged since it was first made. It may not be the most modern bullet out there, but it will still be around as long as lead core bullets are being made.
I will have to disagree with you. The new Partition is affordable, but IMHO is not anywhere near as tough as the older design. I have had up to 40% weight loss on recovered bullets with the newer design. I feel that the newer design is generally more accurate and does perform better than the older design at lower velocities, but does not perform nearly as well when driven to higher velocities. With the weight losses I have experienced with the newer Partition I see no major improvement over other older designs at moderate velocities e.g. Sierra Pro Hunter.

The Partition has horrendous Ballistic Coefficients for weight and therefore does not retain velocity or energy well.

The Partition is a great hunting bullet, but it is certainly not the standard by which others are judged, and is certainly IMHO not the bullet the Accubond is.

The Barnes TSX acctually perform over a fairly wide range of velocities and I have had them expand well with impact velocities as low as 1900 FPS. With nearly total weigh retention one can safely shoot a much lighter bullet and achieve the added velocity for expansion. I do find that there are still some guns that just won't shoot Barnes bullets.

There are a lot of great bullets on the market including the cNosler Partition, Accubond, Swift Sirocco, Barnes offerings, etc. Honestly with the sectional density of a 270 130 grain bullet any good bullet offering will do.

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any other suggestions on factory ammo.
Try the Federal Premium with the Barnes Bullets or the Remington Premium with the Swift bullets. I think you will be pleased with either load.
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Old July 5, 2009, 12:52 PM   #15
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I have two .270 Winchesters and at present I shoot the cheap 130 gr Core Lokts I buy in the bags of 1000 each. ($166.00 for the last batch I bought) It does everything asked of it. Never shot an animal twice. I have seen elk dropped DRT with 130 gr Core Lokts and Power Points and even 170 gr soft points from the little 30-30. The old school bullets have been around forever and in standard calibers still work just fine today. My brother dropped a nice six point Roosevelt elk with one shot from a 35 Remington using a plain 200 gr Core Lokt soft point. Heck he picked up a used 6.5 Jananese service rifle out of a barrel for $25.00 at a garage sale and knocked the tar out of another Roosevelt bull. My dad and twin brother use Hornady interlocks that have been around forever. Not a single problem. Now all I hear it this premium bullet craze. Why? Why does it take a "premium" bullet for todays hunter to kill the same animal your fathers killed 30 years ago with the standard copper/lead bullets of the day? How did the buffalo hunters kill so many animals using just paper patched lead bullets?? Did they shoot better than todays hunters? Did they wait for a perfect shot? I think that todays hunters are getting to the point where they think they need a screaming magnum to kill a squirrel. At the velocities they generate I would guess a premium bullet would be called for. Well, it's not for me. When I see calibers like the .270 and 30-06 which have been around for over seventy years and have provided such dependable service for so many using standard soft point ammo I am loathe to change. If it ain't broke don't fix it.....
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Seems to me if you recover your bullet it gave the animal all it had. If it fragments, who cares? I have recovered fragmented bullets, but the tissue left behind was mush. I would rather have that than some intended deep penetrating bullet not expanding, going through the animal, and taking the leftover energy with it.
Maybe the new Barnes X bullets are better, but I got off of them pretty fast when they first came out.
I'll stick with the Partitions, good balance in my judgement.
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Old July 5, 2009, 07:59 PM   #17
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I have seen elk dropped DRT with 130 gr Core Lokts and Power Points and even 170 gr soft points from the little 30-30. The old school bullets have been around forever and in standard calibers still work just fine today. My brother dropped a nice six point Roosevelt elk with one shot from a 35 Remington using a plain 200 gr Core Lokt soft point. Heck he picked up a used 6.5 Jananese service rifle out of a barrel for $25.00 at a garage sale and knocked the tar out of another Roosevelt bull. My dad and twin brother use Hornady interlocks that have been around forever. Not a single problem. Now all I hear it this premium bullet craze. Why? Why does it take a "premium" bullet for todays hunter to kill the same animal your fathers killed 30 years ago with the standard copper/lead bullets of the day?
Short answer is it doesn't. Long answer if you push a bullet past 3000 fps at the muzzle even traditional bullets like your Core-Lokt can do funny things if impact velocity is high enough. 170 and 200 grain cup and core bullets are all that are needed in a rifle like the .30-30 and .35 Rem as they can't drive that heavy of a bullet fast enought to have it come apart. We all have stories like the ones you just posted, but to most of us a premium bullet is a cheap insurance policy when hunting. Use what you want, but there are better bullets out there.

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Old July 6, 2009, 10:31 AM   #18
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Quote:""Seems to me if you recover your bullet it gave the animal all it had. If it fragments, who cares? I have recovered fragmented bullets, but the tissue left behind was mush. I would rather have that than some intended deep penetrating bullet not expanding, going through the animal, and taking the leftover energy with it.
Maybe the new Barnes X bullets are better, but I got off of them pretty fast when they first came out.
I'll stick with the Partitions, good balance in my judgement. ""

I agree. Too many hunters are hung up on weight retention today. A 100% weight retention doesn't impress me if it hasn't expanded well and or exited with a large exit hole/wound. I'll take a well mushroomed copper/lead bullet any day of the week, mushroomed (opened) more than an X bullet, which if one checks, is the typical scenario. I'm not trashing Xs, as I do use them, simply saying a well mushroomed bullet driving completely through is what I want.

For the original poster, I'd also look to the older 140gr TBBC or the newer 140TBT (trophy bonded tipped). I've seen their performance on very large hogs and it is exceptional.
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Old July 6, 2009, 12:01 PM   #19
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i will have to shoot the 130 and the 140 to find out how they do in this gun.was thinking 130 just to help her with recoil as much as possible.

i have a 243 that WILL NOT shoot a 100 grn nos partition at all. 4 inch group at 100 yrds! awful.
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Old July 9, 2009, 09:08 PM   #20
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I use the 140 gr accubond in .270
I dont like chasing deer,I like them to go about 2 ft.That is 2 ft straight to the ground!Never lost a deer in my life and was shooting Nosler B/T's prior to that.
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Old July 9, 2009, 09:21 PM   #21
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flyguyskt;
maybe its the gun and not the ammo.Just saying.
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