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Old June 27, 2009, 09:27 PM   #1
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Most Accurate Production 9mm Semi-Auto

Granted, this has been discussed several times - and the top contenders or choices seem to alternate between the:

Sig P210
S&W 952
HKP7

Of course, other than the HKP7, the Sig P210 and S&W 952 are quite expensive and not widely available and I was wondering whether anyone has run across any actual data (Ransom rest) that contrasted the accuracy of the more expensive pistols to something more affordable - such as a Glock 34 - which is reported to be fairly accurate.

Also, are there any somewhat obscure 9mm pistols used for target competition that could be added to the list - such as a Pardini GT-9 (shown below)?

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Old June 27, 2009, 10:14 PM   #2
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To be honest, I own a 952 and I don't go yippie-ki-ah over the accuracy. Oh, it's good, but I've had other shooters try it and the accuracy is worse compared to when I shoot it. I've shot $500.00 (ball park figure) auto's that can outshoot my 952. My point is sometimes it's simply the shooter behind the trigger, than the expensive advertised price and hyped article/internet opinion coverage. So, the most accurate 9mm is whatever the next poster claims, then the next, etc.
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Old June 27, 2009, 10:52 PM   #3
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Pardinis are ultra accurate, as are Sphinx 3000s.

Even so my heart's desire is a SIG P210, unfortunately it's a desire that will almost certainly go eternally unfulfilled.
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Old June 27, 2009, 10:56 PM   #4
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As an alternative, what about upgrading a lower cost factory semi-auto to improve accuracy instead of purchasing a more expensive pistol?

For example, what would be the 25 yard accuracy difference between a Glock 17 with an aftermarket BAR-STO Barrel as compared to a 'stock' Sig P210 - assuming match grade ammunition was used in the comparison? For example, would the Sig P210 typically exhibit 1.25" groups - while a Glock with a BAR-STO barrel would be able to provide 1.5" groups.
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Old June 27, 2009, 11:05 PM   #5
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sig p210
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Old June 27, 2009, 11:50 PM   #6
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i have not shot the other 2 mentioned, but i have shot alot of guns and my p7 is by far the most accurate. To me it seems all the pistols with the fixed barrel design are very accurate, but not the softest shooting guns at all. I love my p7 and sig 232 to death and they are tac drivers. To my knowledge the p7 is still, today, the fastest cycling production gun. That says alot since they havent been produced for quite some time now
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Old June 27, 2009, 11:52 PM   #7
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To my knowledge the p7 is still, today, the fastest cycling production gun. That says alot since they havent been produced for quite some time now
Says a lot about what, exactly?

Cycle-time is basically irrelavent in a semi-automatic as humans can't pull the trigger quickly enough anyway.
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Old June 28, 2009, 12:31 AM   #8
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As mentioned, YMMV and my guns may not fit you well enough to get the most out of you or the guns. Me, tho, I have my faves that really work well and they are:
1 - HK USP 9
2 - HK P7M8
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Old June 28, 2009, 12:55 AM   #9
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HK PSP
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Sig 210
Glock 34 (the only reason I list this is becasue I own one and it is pretty damn accurate)
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Old June 28, 2009, 05:31 AM   #10
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Sig P210
S&W 952
HKP7
The HK USP Elite is without doubt, the most accurate HK around, not the P7. The P7 longslide may be a contender, but those are not production models. The Elite may outperform both the P210 and 952 for that matter.
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Old June 28, 2009, 05:58 AM   #11
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The HK USP Elite is without doubt, the most accurate HK around, not the P7. The P7 longslide may be a contender, but those are not production models. The Elite may outperform both the P210 and 952 for that matter.
Any ransom rest results?
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Old June 28, 2009, 07:38 AM   #12
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Any ransom rest results?
Not that I'm aware of, other than whatever is used in the factory. Are there results for the others mentioned, the Sig, HK or S&W?

The rarity of the Elite make it less known than the others, but they are freaky accurate and maybe a best buy in the uber-accurate realm of production guns when compared to Sig and Sphinx.
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Old June 28, 2009, 09:40 AM   #13
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Pistols I have or had as listed, I'll list the best of the big 3 calibers.

9mm: CZ-75, S&W 3913, Sig SP2022, all 3 will shoot a 10 shot ragged hole at 25 yards from a rest. The 3913 was a BIG surprise.

40S&W: S&W Shorty Forty, CZ-75, S/A XDm, Browning Hi-Power, all 3 will hold 2 inch groups to ragged holes for 10 shots at 25yards.

45acp: 3 early Kimbers, Sig P220, CZ-97 all are ragged hole 10 shot guns at 25 yards.
I rarely keep a gun that isn't capable of 2 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 25 yards, I just don't find them interesting.
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Old June 28, 2009, 09:47 AM   #14
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The rarity of the Elite make it less known than the others, but they are freaky accurate and maybe a best buy in the uber-accurate realm of production guns when compared to Sig and Sphinx.
When I first read this I kind of "p'shawed" it, but on further reflection: you're absolutely right. The Elite doesn't have nearly as sophisticated a feel to it, but it definetely delivers the goods in the accuracy department, and for $500-$1000 less than many of the competitors brought up.

Dang, now I think maybe I want a USP Elite

Question: you may or may not know, but I'll ask since you seem to have some experience with the rarer H&Ks, I once fired a fellow club member's USP45 Expert at a bowling pin shoot and found it to be one of the easiest to shoot well guns I've ever encountered, it looks better (to my eyes) than an Elite as well. How does the accuracy of the Expert compare to the Elite?
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Question: you may or may not know, but I'll ask since you seem to have some experience with the rarer H&Ks, I once fired a fellow club member's USP45 Expert at a bowling pin shoot and found it to be one of the easiest to shoot well guns I've ever encountered, it looks better (to my eyes) than an Elite as well. How does the accuracy of the Expert compare to the Elite?
I don't have the Expert, (which is a very fine pistol by all accounts), to compare with my Elite, but I've read several forum posts made by owners of both that claim the Elite is more accurate. I'll have to take their word for it. Here's a sample;
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.ph...ighlight=elite

The Elite models, to my knowledge, are the only one's HK makes that have hand fitted, matched parts. That means the barrel and slide of one cannot be swapped with another. HKs are known for their accuracy in their entire line, but the Elite shoots like a laser, much tighter groups than any other gun I own or have ever fired.

Comparing accuracy of a Expert to an Elite is probably a mighty tight race, and I'm confident the difference is negligable in the hands of most normal shooters.
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Comparing accuracy of a Expert to an Elite is probably a mighty tight race, and I'm confident the difference is negligable in the hands of most normal shooters.
Yes but from what I'm hearing from you it sounds like the Elite is well worth the extra $50 and slightly compromised aesthetics.
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Old June 28, 2009, 12:12 PM   #17
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Yes but from what I'm hearing from you it sounds like the Elite is well worth the extra $50 and slightly compromised aesthetics.
Slightly compromised aesthetics?



If you are a serious target shooter then the Elite is the way to go. Most people drift towards the Expert or Tactical for the more conventional appearance. The Elite is actually nicer in person than it's picture, IMO, as it is sleeker and a bit more narrow along the slide. One downside to the long barrel and slide is that the Elite is too big for IDPA use.

The two pistols share a lot in common, same grip, firing mechanism, sights, trigger, (which is a sweet, sweet jewel), just a different barrel and slide.
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Old June 28, 2009, 02:12 PM   #18
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Wondering

I don't know the answer to the question in my second paragraph but maybe someone else does. When thinking about accurate pistols, I have used the guideline question "what do the High Master Bullseye shooters use?" In competition that places a premium on accuracy - especially the 50 yard precision segments - I'd expect any firearm that was superior to make an appearance at least. The best shooters will chose the firearms that give them an advantage.
The Sig P210 is long out of production, and so it is rare. The marvelously accurate P08 is also not often seen. The other guns are more readily available. So...how often does one see them being used for precision shooting? If I were to travel next month to the National Matches at Camp Perry, I wonder how many of the pistols being discussed here will show up in general use.
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Old June 28, 2009, 02:59 PM   #19
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If I were to travel next month to the National Matches at Camp Perry, I wonder how many of the pistols being discussed here will show up in general use.
My experience is the bullseye shooting crowd prefers to go the custom-tuned route, rather than the from-the-factory route. Almost everyone you'll encounter will be running some sort of seriously custom 1911. Chances are decent you'll also see one or two High Powers, Beretta 92s, and maybe even a Glock. Again, all of these will be highly tuned.
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Old June 28, 2009, 03:36 PM   #20
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Toss-up: HK P9S, SIG P210, Steyr GB, Benelli B76.
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Old June 28, 2009, 04:25 PM   #21
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the bullseye shooting crowd prefers to go the custom-tuned route, rather than the from-the-factory route.
I understand that what ever guns will be used in the Centerfire stages of the matches will be accurized. They did, however, start out as production guns and were made more precise. (The exception is the P210 which was/is, from targets I have seen pictures of, capable of 10 shot X-ring accuracy right from its box. But they are rare enough to avoid consideration.)
Are shooters accurizing HKs/CZs/etc. for precision shooting? Can they be made that precise? The USAMU armorers have succeeded in doing so with the big Beretta.
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Old June 28, 2009, 07:21 PM   #22
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Old June 28, 2009, 07:30 PM   #23
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The Walther P88 was considered an out of the box tack driver particuarly for a "service" gun, however like the HK P7, P9S and Sig 210, (all highly regarded for their accuracy) all are either long out of production or in limited production.

As for in production guns?
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Old June 28, 2009, 11:49 PM   #24
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I had BarSto put a 5" barrel in my CZ 75BD. It shoots right along with the 952-2, for less than 1/2 the cost. I was shooting today. The 952 safety is not fun. It is a fairly accurate gun. I'm not a great shot, but 4-6" groups at 25 yds is pretty common for me. Often it's five or six rounds tighter with a little spread around the edges.
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Old June 29, 2009, 12:20 AM   #25
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The most accurate handgun depends on the shooter. I can shoot a ruger p95 far better then I can shoot a glock. I know people that can't hit the broadside of a barn with my ruger but can hit dead on with a glock. I my opinion the gun has little to do with accuracy unless it is shot off some sort of rest. When a gun is shot free hand it is all the shooter not the gun.
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