Safety controversy - Page 4

w_houle · June 26, 2009, 12:15 PM

1993, Ft. Sill, Oklahoma.
We crawled down one lane, came over, and then crawled up onto a firing M-60 firing 1 in 5 tracer mix. The shots were going about 3' over our heads. Just so long as everyone is doing like they are supposed to, then what's the problem?

**hogdogs** · June 26, 2009, 12:19 PM

I bet that ft.sill incident is following a lot of previous official military training. Just a guess....
I still say if you want photo ops on a live fire range, you could opt for remotely operated gear. Then if something goes wrong yer out a simple replaceable camera and motorized mount... No one would have their mental stability jeopardized for shooting a BTDT camera feller!

Brent

w_houle · June 26, 2009, 12:48 PM

My last post was my knee jerk reaction, then I read some more and drew a different conclusion.

Creature · June 26, 2009, 05:03 PM

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So until people start getting hurt, no doubt his school will remain in business.

So my question remains: undoubtedly no-liability waivers are being signed before commencement of any training. But is a school like this required to carry some kind of insurance, permit or license?

TailGator · June 26, 2009, 05:27 PM

I have been told that no waiver is valid against overt negligence. Lawyers?

ranburr · June 26, 2009, 11:30 PM

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1993, Ft. Sill, Oklahoma.
We crawled down one lane, came over, and then crawled up onto a firing M-60 firing 1 in 5 tracer mix. The shots were going about 3' over our heads. Just so long as everyone is doing like they are supposed to, then what's the problem?

Having been someone who actually fired those M60s, I can tell you that it was from an elevated position and the rounds were actually closer to 20ft above your head. The illusion of rounds being closer than they really were was courtesey of a combination of darkness, smoke, noise, stress, fatigue, and shouting Drill Sgts.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · June 28, 2009, 11:53 AM

I don't have a link to the SW accident. I know the guy's brother. But just info, at a local match the other day an IPSC type put one through his kneecap. So even experienced folks do slip up, another example.

June 26, 2009, 12:15 PM	#76
w_houle Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2007 Location: Junction City, KS Posts: 1,389	1993, Ft. Sill, Oklahoma. We crawled down one lane, came over, and then crawled up onto a firing M-60 firing 1 in 5 tracer mix. The shots were going about 3' over our heads. Just so long as everyone is doing like they are supposed to, then what's the problem? __________________ How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished?

June 26, 2009, 12:19 PM	#77
hogdogs Staff Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 10,687	I bet that ft.sill incident is following a lot of previous official military training. Just a guess.... I still say if you want photo ops on a live fire range, you could opt for remotely operated gear. Then if something goes wrong yer out a simple replaceable camera and motorized mount... No one would have their mental stability jeopardized for shooting a BTDT camera feller! Brent __________________ Finally have designs going up in the Hogdogs Outdoor Apparel online store. http://www.cafepress.com/hogdogsoutdoorapparel Thanks for lookin'...

June 26, 2009, 12:48 PM	#78
w_houle Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2007 Location: Junction City, KS Posts: 1,389	My last post was my knee jerk reaction, then I read some more and drew a different conclusion. __________________ How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished?

June 28, 2009, 11:53 AM	#82
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,138	I don't have a link to the SW accident. I know the guy's brother. But just info, at a local match the other day an IPSC type put one through his kneecap. So even experienced folks do slip up, another example. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

June 26, 2009, 05:27 PM	#80
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,595	I have been told that no waiver is valid against overt negligence. Lawyers?