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Old June 13, 2009, 01:31 PM   #1
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Army or New Army: opinions please

i would like to get a BP revolver.

I have decided on the Uberti Army
or the uberti New army.

I like the look of the open top army.

Seems like the new Army would ahve better sights.

I like accuracy.

Suggestions, thoughts experience opinions.

I might be interested in getting a 45LC conversion cylinder.
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Old June 13, 2009, 01:58 PM   #2
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The 1860 Colt Army handles better than the Remington.
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Old June 13, 2009, 01:58 PM   #3
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If I was going to have a conversion cylinder and switch back and forth, I'd go with the Rem NA, although either will work.
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Old June 13, 2009, 01:58 PM   #4
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Quote:
Seems like the new Army would ahve better sights.
Seems so but not necessarily. Depends on the individual gun.


Quote:
I like accuracy.
Maybe you'd be better off with a Pietta 58 with adjustable sights.
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Old June 13, 2009, 02:02 PM   #5
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The NA at least has some sight adjustment (the front can be moved laterally - true for Ubertis, not so for most Piettas). Or, as suggested, the NA comes in versions from both manufacturers that have adjustable rear sights.

I personally like the look and feel of the Colt better, but I think the Remington is a better gun. If nothing else, you don't have to worry about spent caps jamming it up, at least not to nearly the same degree.
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Old June 13, 2009, 05:17 PM   #6
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( The colt handles better tthan the remmington ??? MMMMM )
Pass on that one, dont forget if you want to go to conversion
the 58 is a better way to go, you dont have to keep banging
out that darn wedge every time you want to load the rem
58 is the best way to go, just drop the lever side the pin back
in two secs the cylinder is out, so go get your self 58 FULL FRAME
gun not half.
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Old June 13, 2009, 06:00 PM   #7
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( The colt handles better tthan the remmington ??? MMMMM )
It does. It feels better, points better, just handles better and heavy loads don't bang your knuckle on the trigger guard.
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Old June 13, 2009, 06:07 PM   #8
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What Hawg said.
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Old June 13, 2009, 06:29 PM   #9
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I'll take the 1860 every time. The Remington 'may' be stronger with its solid frame but for this particular application, I really don't think it matters. The Colt is a superior handling sixgun and IMHO, a more handsome design. As far as conversions, I prefer mine to have a loading gate and ejector anyway.
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Old June 13, 2009, 09:11 PM   #10
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Well thats your opinon, i will take a 58 over any open top
anyday for a good all round gun.
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Old June 13, 2009, 11:16 PM   #11
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I'm in the Colt camp as far as looks and feel, the Colt is second to none. If I was building a conversion cylinder gun I probably would go with the NMA. As far as reloading the Colt you could get a gated conversion, but then you can go back to percussion caps.
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Old June 13, 2009, 11:16 PM   #12
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I've started out shooting the Pietta Target Model and I prefer the adjustable partridge style sights.
It does require me to use two hands to hold it as steady as I'd like to while shooting, but that has basically been my experience when shooting any revolver.
Some folks can obviously shoot them one handed if they're match shooters, but since I'm not shooting in any competitions, using 2 hands doesn't bother me.
BTW, for anyone interested the Pietta target model is currently on sale at Cabela's for $199 plus $5 shipping:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...dexId=cat20817

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Old June 15, 2009, 02:13 AM   #13
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Give me a Remington over a Colt Anytime

Sorry folks I am a Remington Man that also likes Colts, Starrs, Roger&Spencer, Spiller&Burr, ROAs, and others :O)

Here's my latest Rem ...
1861 Remington Old Army, made in 1862
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Old June 15, 2009, 03:05 AM   #14
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I have the Colt 1860 and plan on getting the Rem 1858. The Rem. seems a bit bulkier and awkwardly sighted compared to the Colt. but you cannot beat cylinder removal on the Rem.

Can anyone comment on the accuracy? since the sights are so different?
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Old June 15, 2009, 03:19 AM   #15
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There's no easy way to measure the pure accuracy of any muzzle loader with so many different loads and all of the human factors.
Plus every gun will shoot differently from another gun whether it's the same brand, same model or not.
And folks can always modify sights to thier own liking to change and improve them.
Same with changing the cylinder dimensions or the angle of the forcing cone.

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Old June 15, 2009, 03:54 AM   #16
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The thing about owning these kinds of guns is you will want to keep going.

I bought the 1860 because it was the better looking better feeling gun for me on first handling. Now that I have played with my 1860 I want to play with the 1858. I am sure once I do that I am going to want to play with the colt 1851, which I did not like at first.

What I am admitting is now that I am into Cap-n-Ball pistols I want to own one of everything so I can have fun with them all.

You start off with whatever you want, but you will wind up getting the others later anyway if you are like me. Any one of them is like a gateway drug.
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Old June 15, 2009, 02:17 PM   #17
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If you plan on shooting a lot(like CAS competition), then you should try each before you buy. The 1851/61/62 Colt is too small for my hand. The 1858 Remington is so constructed that it is difficult for me to reach the hammer when firing one handed. The 1860 Army is perfect for my hand.
The Walkers and Dragoons shoot well but they are designed to be carried by a horse and not a human.
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Old June 15, 2009, 02:56 PM   #18
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What SG said.
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Old June 16, 2009, 01:40 AM   #19
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Well since it looks like we having the making of a

12 step group I will have to admit I am a black powder- aolic and I am here because the Walker its just too big for me to hold out straight for very long- THe Colt 1868 feels like a lost appendage and so long as the trigger guard on the 1858 doesn;t bite me I will be saved for another day.
Tongiht I am deciding to buy either a Colt Calvary COmmerotaive set for the same money as an outstanding original 1858 Remington 58 in fine shape-
Choices choices By the end of this year I should have a nice cased setup for it.

Headed up near Jopplin MO for a Machine gun shoot in nearby Oklahoma and fully intend to take my ROA for a spin if I can get myself lined out to shoot it for the first time-
Not sure what I will need to take to do it all- I got cappers, CCI #11 caps, 777 powder, wonder wads and Hornady 457 balls and a pistol stand. If something is missing let me know as I am gone in48 hours.

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Old June 16, 2009, 06:23 AM   #20
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Powder measure
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Cleaning solvent
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Old June 16, 2009, 11:54 AM   #21
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Now let me find an ammo can to keep it all in for this first outing
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