City Rights vs. State Rights vs. Federal Law

gdeal · June 11, 2009, 05:53 PM

I don't know if the title of my post is correct but it bothers me when a city says they are banning guns within city limits. One argument against that is that ordinary citizens will obey the law and be unarmed while the criminals will ignore the law as they do other laws and have guns. And I see it that way too. But what I need to find out is are there any statistics that shows that states that have easier concealed carry laws are safer and nicer than states that have very strict concealed carry laws?

Hkmp5sd · June 11, 2009, 06:10 PM

There are no reliable statistics that prove one way or the other that CCWs have any effect on crime or that states with easy access to CCWs have lower crime rates.

Believe me, we would love to prove it.

**Brian Pfleuger** · June 11, 2009, 06:12 PM

See this thread for all the discussion you can handle, and then some.

#18indycolts · June 11, 2009, 06:13 PM

here's a quick one: detroit is high in crime and one can carry with a permit, DC is high in crime and one cannot carry.

gdeal · June 11, 2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

See this thread for all the discussion you can handle, and then some.

thanks pizza eater. that was some post. i now know never to bring this up again.

**Al Norris** · June 11, 2009, 07:30 PM

In which case, we can close this. Especially as it was just discussed (to death).

June 11, 2009, 06:10 PM	#2
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	There are no reliable statistics that prove one way or the other that CCWs have any effect on crime or that states with easy access to CCWs have lower crime rates. Believe me, we would love to prove it. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor: Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Safety, Personal Protection, Range Safety Officer NRA Life Member

June 11, 2009, 06:12 PM	#3
Brian Pfleuger Staff Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Central, Southern NY, USA Posts: 14,516	See this thread for all the discussion you can handle, and then some. __________________ Still happily answering to the call-sign Peetza. --- You do not HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul. You HAVE a body. -C.S. Lewis He is no fool who gives what he can not keep to gain what he can not lose. -Jim Eliott, paraphrasing Philip Henry.

June 11, 2009, 07:30 PM	#6
Al Norris Staff Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 8,756	In which case, we can close this. Especially as it was just discussed (to death). __________________ Listings of the Current 2A Cases: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416973

June 11, 2009, 05:53 PM	#1
gdeal Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 748	City Rights vs. State Rights vs. Federal Law I don't know if the title of my post is correct but it bothers me when a city says they are banning guns within city limits. One argument against that is that ordinary citizens will obey the law and be unarmed while the criminals will ignore the law as they do other laws and have guns. And I see it that way too. But what I need to find out is are there any statistics that shows that states that have easier concealed carry laws are safer and nicer than states that have very strict concealed carry laws?

June 11, 2009, 06:13 PM	#4
#18indycolts Junior member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Indpls Posts: 1,159	here's a quick one: detroit is high in crime and one can carry with a permit, DC is high in crime and one cannot carry.