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Old June 11, 2009, 12:25 PM   #1
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Slam firing your shotgun.

Is there a way to modify your shotgun so that it could slam fire?

That is if you hold the trigger down and cycle the pump the gun fires?

If there is a way to modify your shotgun is it legal to do so?

I know all about the old Ithacas so you don't need to mention them.
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Old June 11, 2009, 12:37 PM   #2
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Not safe with a Mossberg... I am pretty sure the only thing stopping it is the locking lug. Without that, the bolt is going to fly rearward at a rate comparable to or exceeding the acceleration and speed of a top fuel dragster!
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Old June 11, 2009, 12:48 PM   #3
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I know this doesn't answer your question, but, why not just buy a good semi-auto?
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Old June 11, 2009, 01:02 PM   #4
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Isn't that one of the things that is not allowed? Part of the "street sweeper" restrictions or something?
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Old June 11, 2009, 01:05 PM   #5
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As long as the gun was a pump, it would be legal.
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Old June 11, 2009, 01:15 PM   #6
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Modern pump shotguns have a trigger disconnector that prevent the gun from slam firing.

Older shotguns, including Ithaca model 37s, did not have the disconnector.

Buy yourself one of those and don't muck around in the guts of a new shotgun.
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Old June 11, 2009, 02:15 PM   #7
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Winchester model 97s will slam fire and so will the chicom copies.

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Old June 11, 2009, 02:42 PM   #8
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The question then becomes WHY?
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Old June 11, 2009, 03:55 PM   #9
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Jist fer giggles is reason enuff fer me!!!
My redneck tree service thread is proof I like to just shoot at times...
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Old June 11, 2009, 04:01 PM   #10
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Winchester 97's
Winchester mdl 12
Old Ithaca 37's
Savage 520's (sold under a pile of names/models)

Anybody add more to the list?
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Old June 11, 2009, 05:30 PM   #11
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Savage 820B's will also.Good Luck
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Old June 11, 2009, 07:02 PM   #12
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Be safe. Post video.
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Old June 11, 2009, 07:13 PM   #13
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BTW. I tried some pump firing with my Winchester mod 12 once. About the second shot in you'll begin pulling the buttstock slightly away from your shoulder if you do it fast enough and you'll really feel the recoil. If you slow down enough to avoid this you won't need pump fire ability. This was my experience. Buy a good semi.
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Old June 11, 2009, 08:30 PM   #14
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slamfire

Winchester model 25, but I'd be shocked if you could hit anything like that.
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Old June 12, 2009, 04:26 AM   #15
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Herb Parsons was able to throw 7 clay pigeons in the air and shoot them all before they hit the ground.He was an exhibition shooter for Winchester and said the model 12 was the only pumpgun in the world fast enough to do this.

He later in life said in an interview that he was able to do this by holding the trigger back and pumping like hell.That allowed him to shoot faster than the semi auto guns of that era.Another reason the model 12 was the only pump to do this was it held 6 rounds in the magazine.

So maybe if a fellow had the natural hand eye coordination,fast twitch muscle fibers,visual acuity,and unlimited ammunition that Mr. Parsons was gifted with the "slam fire" technique would be useful in the field or on the range.I am not one of those fellows,but I have emptied my 66 year old Ithaca Model 37 20 gauge a few times by holding the trigger back and pumping like hell.I gotta admit it was kind of fun.
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Old June 12, 2009, 04:48 AM   #16
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they made the newer guns with trigger disconectors so some nitwit would not hold the trigger back in the excitement of pumping the gun while hunting and maybe killing his hunting pardner. i have shot my md 12 and md 37 that way just to say i did it if it ever came up on a forum like this, i didn,t hit a damn thing. eastbank.
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Old June 12, 2009, 11:01 AM   #17
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When i was in RVN our Savage Stevens pump shotguns didnt have the disconnect, so we could pump like crazy to chop down the brush!
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Old June 12, 2009, 11:09 AM   #18
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I thought Parsons said specifically that he did NOT pump fire the gun and that there is slow motion video of him shooting 7 birds that shows his finger releasing and pulling the trigger for each shot...
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Old June 12, 2009, 02:32 PM   #19
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DO NOT attempt to circumvent the disconnector!
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Old June 13, 2009, 02:47 PM   #20
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My old Marlin 24 will slam fire even when you don't want it to. That is one of the problems with the old Marlins. You have to always be careful racking the slide on that one.
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Old June 13, 2009, 04:14 PM   #21
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I've held the trigger back on divers vintage pumps a few times.

Impressive rate of fire, but your target has to be very close and large.

If you can keep things at 10 yards inside a foot or two, you da man.
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Old June 13, 2009, 05:04 PM   #22
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used to practice this with my model 12...from the hip

back whe I was a teenager, and dumb as a post. My brother almost shot his foot off when, in a hurry, he loaded my model 12, with his finger on the trigger.

There are a number of older guns which will do this, but no newer ones, and for a good reason. IF you have the coodrination to pump the action, you have enough to pull the trigger a fraction of a second later.

Don't mess with the insides of a new shotgun to try and achieve some mythical rate of fire, it won't work.
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Old June 14, 2009, 12:22 AM   #23
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Not worth the effort to try and modify. Some time ago, I wondered wether or not my Stevens 820 would slam fire, and it did. Right into the chicken house. I learned not to be impulsive. Nevertheless, it takes some coordination to slam fire a 12ga and hit anything. Might be useful in giving that clay you missed a second try. Or fighting back against a hoard of Starlings that have decided to kill you while you're out in the field.
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Old June 14, 2009, 07:32 AM   #24
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Never been dumb enough to try or even want to?
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