The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The North Corral > Curios and Relics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 21, 2009, 04:57 PM   #1
DoctorXring
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 30, 2002
Location: The Republic of Texas
Posts: 389
FN Israeli K98k

.

I took these pics of one of my Israeli K98 rifles the other day
for another collector. I thought I would post them up here for
you guys. This is an Israeli K98 service rifle that was built
on an FN sourced action. Barrel date os 05-58. I do not believe
it was ever issued. Matching and in original condition.
Caliber 7.62x51 NATO. Armscorp import mark. Original Israeli
sling.

dxr













DoctorXring is offline  
Old January 21, 2009, 09:56 PM   #2
James K
Staff
 
Join Date: March 17, 1999
Posts: 19,172
There seems to be some mystery about those rifles. Ball states that FN denies ever making them, yet there is little doubt they did. I suspect that FN, not wanting to harm its business in the Moslem world, simply did the old "plausible deniability" trick, as the U.S. did when it set up an ammunition factory in Israel (who, us?).

The rifle is not quite identical to the German K98k, but the differences are minor.

Many of those stocks also turned up on the market in the 1960's, and were often installed on German rifles, confusing collectors.

Jim
__________________
Jim K
James K is offline  
Old January 21, 2009, 10:28 PM   #3
DoctorXring
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 30, 2002
Location: The Republic of Texas
Posts: 389
.

I've also heard the story that the Israeli's just bought the actions
on contract from FN and that the Israeli's put the rifles together
themselves. It is for sure that by the time this version came
about that they did have full K98 tooling and assembly fixtures.
The Israeli's had orginally planned to start producing their own
K98 rifles, but change to semi-auto arms as a service rifle
stopped this plan.
The tooling line was used to maintain the K98's that went to
training and reserve.

One thing that makes me think this is true is the bottom metal
on these FN action guns is often Czech or, as in the case of this gun,
WWII era German. But as you say, the final word on these
guns has been elusive.

.
DoctorXring is offline  
Old January 22, 2009, 10:02 AM   #4
Calfed
Member
 
Join Date: December 20, 2007
Posts: 97
DrX, great looking Mauser.

How does it shoot?
Calfed is offline  
Old January 22, 2009, 10:05 AM   #5
Tom2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 5,648
I believe you have a keeper as most of the IDF type Mausers I have seen have some wear and tear on them. That thing looks super crisp in the photos. Maybe the actions went thru a middle man or not directly to the customer so to speak. Lot of Mausers floating around that have been thru several users. Anyway a sharp crisp example like that should be at the top of the demand and price range.
__________________
Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!
Tom2 is offline  
Old May 27, 2009, 11:52 PM   #6
hiyabrad
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 8, 2006
Posts: 2
Is it for sale? I have been looking for one.
hiyabrad is offline  
Old May 28, 2009, 02:13 PM   #7
Vergeltung
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 12, 2008
Location: near NYC, USA
Posts: 292
the Doc has not been on the boards in awhile. not sure if he will see your question...
__________________
Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium Pauperum
Vergeltung is offline  
Old May 30, 2009, 11:15 PM   #8
voland
Junior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2008
Posts: 6
oh I want!!!

Man, I just found out that these things exist and I want one so bad!!!

I wonder what they would run in ok shape.... Any one know where I can get one?

V.
voland is offline  
Old May 31, 2009, 06:00 PM   #9
DoctorXring
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 30, 2002
Location: The Republic of Texas
Posts: 389
Hi guys.

No, that one's not for sale. I was stone lucky to come across it.
I would never pass one of these for any sane price.

best, dxr

.
DoctorXring is offline  
Old May 31, 2009, 07:34 PM   #10
James K
Staff
 
Join Date: March 17, 1999
Posts: 19,172
There is an interesting (and true) story about those rifles. In the Egyptian War, front-line IDF troops had newly-issued FALs. With all the dirt and sand kicked up by the tanks, the FALs got clogged up and went bang. Once.

In the dark of night, literally, the IDF pulled the FALs back and issued the Mausers, which didn't care about sand or much of anything else. They then cleaned up the FALs and issued them to the reserves, telling the press that they now had so many of the new super rifles that they could issue them to reserve and rear area troops. (These are the folks who invented Chutzpah!)

Jim
__________________
Jim K
James K is offline  
Old May 31, 2009, 07:48 PM   #11
Tom2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 5,648
I would guess that there was a lively market for surplus European and German guns after the war and if you had the money, the guns would arrive, no complicated official government channels, etc. maybe. Shady third party deals etc. I think the .308 barrels were installed in Israel and I think FN made those. They started with a mixture of old 8MM guns and later converted I think. I am sure the conversions and overhauls were done there if the original guns were only slightly altered to get them into service. Whatever, they are historical and neat rifles. I have owned a couple of them.
__________________
Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!
Tom2 is offline  
Old June 1, 2009, 05:28 AM   #12
eastbank
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 7, 2008
Location: pa.
Posts: 1,002
i had a chance to buy one several years ago a dot-45 post war assembled mauser from israel and later found a original bayonet, in used con. but with a ex bore. imported by armscorp. eastbank.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Picture 428.jpg (246.9 KB, 71 views)
File Type: jpg Picture 430.jpg (249.8 KB, 60 views)
File Type: jpg 98 bay.jpg (60.2 KB, 55 views)
eastbank is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.09018 seconds with 10 queries