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Old May 20, 2009, 11:52 AM   #1
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WI. Gun owners need to read this!!!

Wisconsin: Micro-Stamping Legislation and Castle Doctrine to be Heard Thursday, May 28!

Please Contact Committee Members!



On Thursday, May 28, at 10:00 A.M. in room 328 Northwest, the Committee on Criminal Justice will be holding a hearing on Assembly Bill 221, which would require micro-stamping technology on all newly manufactured handguns sold in Wisconsin . This dangerous legislation needs to be stopped. Micro-stamping is flawed, unreliable, and unproven technology that will burden not only law abiding citizens, but law enforcement agencies as well. Your attendance to this hearing is crucial. Don’t forget to spread the word urging your family, friends and fellow gun owners to attend this hearing to help oppose this back door gun ban scheme. Please contact the members of the Personal Privacy Committee and respectfully urge them to support the Castle Doctrine legislation (AB 193) when it is presented to them on Thursday, May 28.



Micro-stamping legislation supporters claim it will help police solve crimes, but their real purpose is to price handguns beyond the reach of many Americans, by requiring firearms to be made with the gadgetry necessary to create the markings, or to ban handguns by requiring that they "micro-stamp" more consistently than is technologically possible.



During the same time, the Committee on Personal Privacy will hear Assembly Bill 193, the Castle Doctrine self-defense legislation. Currently there are inconsistencies with Wisconsin ’s state statute in regard to what an individual’s self-defense rights are. AB 193 will clean up those inconsistencies and allow a citizen of Wisconsin to meet force with force, including deadly force when someone unlawfully enters their home. The committee will meet in room 415 Northwest.





Please also contact the committee members on the Criminal Justice committee and respectfully urge them to oppose this micro-stamping legislation (AB 221).



House Personal Privacy Committee Members:

State Representative Marlin Schneider (D-72), Chairman

(608) 266-0215

Rep.Schneider@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Amy Sue Vruwink (D-70)

(608) 266-8366

Rep.Vruwink@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Frederick Kessler (D-12)

(608) 266-5813

Rep.Kessler@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Anthony Staskunas (D-15)

(608) 266-0620

Rep.Staskunas@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Scott Suder (R-69)

(608) 267-0280

Rep.Suder@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Mark Gundrum (R-84)

(608) 267-5158

Rep.Gundrum@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Mary Williams (R-87)

(608) 266-7506

Rep.WilliamsM@legis.wisconsin.gov



House Criminal Justice Committee Members:

State Representative Robert Turner (D-61), Chairman

(608) 266-0731

Rep.Turner@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Frederick Kessler (D-12)

(608) 266-5813

Rep.Kessler@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Anthony Staskunas (D-15)

(608) 266-0620

Rep.Staskunas@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Ann Hraychuck (D-28)

(608) 267-2365

Rep.Hraychuck@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative James Soletski (D-88)

(608) 266-0485

Rep.Soletski@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Sandy Pasch (D-22)

(608) 266-7671

Rep.Pasch@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Joel Kleefisch (R-38)

(608) 266-8551

Rep.Kleefisch@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Donald Friske (R-35)

(608) 266-7694

Rep.Friske@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Bill Kramer (R-97)

(608) 266-8580

Rep.Kramer@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Edward Brooks (R-50)

(608) 266-8531

Rep.Brooks@legis.wisconsin.gov



State Representative Keith Ripp (R-47)

(608) 266-3404

Rep.Ripp@legis.wisconsin.gov
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Old May 20, 2009, 03:46 PM   #2
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I moved out of the Janesville area in 1985 so I will bump this back up. Good luck.
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Old May 20, 2009, 05:31 PM   #3
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Old May 20, 2009, 06:15 PM   #4
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Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to be there.
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Old May 20, 2009, 06:42 PM   #5
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Figured I'd add the links to the bills:

Microstamping:
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2009/data/AB-221.pdf

Castle:
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2009/data/AB-193.pdf
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Old May 20, 2009, 06:59 PM   #6
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While I approve of castle doctrines, this one has some wording that makes me cringe.
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AN ACT to create 939.48 (1m) of the statutes; relating to: the privilege of
self−defense.
Since when is self defense a privilege?
Quote:
1. The actor was engaged in an unlawful activity or was using his or her residence to further an unlawful activity at the time.
While I do stay within the law, I could see this being misused. I don't think a person loses their right to self defense due to other transgressions. Also, exactly where on the continuum of illegality would the castle doctrine not apply? What if somebody was illegally downloading music, soliciting a prostitute, or growing a marijuana plant? None of these are violent activities, but I could see this getting twisted to say that a castle doctrine would not apply to people participating in those activities.

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Old May 20, 2009, 07:37 PM   #7
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Very good, chemgirlie!

Moving this one to L&CR.
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Old May 21, 2009, 09:05 AM   #8
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Did anyone notice that within the microstamping bill, there is no exemption for Law Enforcement?

Just saying.....
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Old May 28, 2009, 02:07 PM   #9
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I just got back from the hearing on microstamping. There were definately more pro-gunners than Bradys. I missed the catle doctrine as I can only be in one place at a time.

There was a pretty good turnout.

Todd Lizotte did pretty much the same spiel as he did in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqpz...24C839&index=3

There was a police captain from Milwaukee who was on the Brady side. He emphasized that he had been with the PD for 30 years. He then went on to say that he didn't know how to remove the firing pin from his Glock, and that disassembling it was so complicated that one would need special training to do so, hence regular criminals wold never be able to figure out how to remove a firing pin.

After him the quality assurance manger for a company (I forget which one) took a Glock (with the permission of the capital police officers) and removed the firing pin in about 30 seconds.

I did a short spiel and showed the committee the firing pin that I had removed from my .45 this morning using an old Bic pen. I emphasized that I am not mechanically inclined and don't have any experience in law enforcement, but even common me could remove a firing pin easily.

There was one guy at the very end who seemed a bit.... odd (he was pro-gun). It ended on a weird note.

Friske (Rep.Friske@legis.wisconsin.gov) said he was on the fence and asked quite a few questions. Some of my favorites were when he asked Lizotte about how he would benefit financially from passing microstamping (there were a lot of umms and errrs at that question).

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Old May 28, 2009, 02:28 PM   #10
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There was a police captain from Milwaukee who was on the Brady side. He emphasized that he had been with the PD for 30 years. He then went on to say that he didn't know how to remove the firing pin from his Glock, and that disassembling it was so complicated that one would need special training to do so, hence regular criminals wold never be able to figure out how to remove a firing pin.

After him the quality assurance manger for a company (I forget which one) took a Glock (with the permission of the capital police officers) and removed the firing pin in about 30 seconds.

I did a short spiel and showed the committee the firing pin that I had removed from my .45 this morning using an old Bic pen. I emphasized that I am not mechanically inclined and don't have any experience in law enforcement, but even common me could remove a firing pin easily.

There was one guy at the very end who seemed a bit.... odd (he was pro-gun). It ended on a weird note.
That's great. Make that captain feel like an idiot.... he should.
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Old May 28, 2009, 02:40 PM   #11
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Chemgirlie posted:
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There was a police captain from Milwaukee who was on the Brady side. He emphasized that he had been with the PD for 30 years. He then went on to say that he didn't know how to remove the firing pin from his Glock, and that disassembling it was so complicated that one would need special training to do so, hence regular criminals wold never be able to figure out how to remove a firing pin.

After him the quality assurance manger for a company (I forget which one) took a Glock (with the permission of the capital police officers) and removed the firing pin in about 30 seconds.

I did a short spiel and showed the committee the firing pin that I had removed from my .45 this morning using an old Bic pen. I emphasized that I am not mechanically inclined and don't have any experience in law enforcement, but even common me could remove a firing pin easily.
I guess you and the quality assurance manager are not "regular" criminals, but "special" ones. After all, how could anyone be smarter than a police captain who has been behind a desk, er, I mean, on the force for over 30 years. You'd have to be special to be smarter than he is.
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