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Old May 17, 2009, 04:21 PM   #1
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Steyer M95

Does the Steyer M95 shoot regular 8mm ammo? I'm thinking of buying one, but the ads read caliber 8x56r. Is that the same caliber as the K98?
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Old May 17, 2009, 04:24 PM   #2
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It shoots the 8x56r. I was looking into getting one of those rifles a while back, until I saw the price of the ammo. It is also near impossible for me to find it in my area. Even the gun store that sold the rifle didnt carry the ammo. So I just got another M-44.
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Old May 17, 2009, 04:38 PM   #3
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M95

Thanks for the quick answer. Too bad about the cost of the ammo. The carbine looks to be the perfect size.
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Old May 17, 2009, 04:49 PM   #4
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Yea they are cool guns, I really like the straight pull bolt. The ammo was the only turn off. I looked at one at Big-5 it was on sale, I believe it was on for $89.00
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Old May 17, 2009, 07:44 PM   #5
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I have one, good shooter, if you search the net, ammo is available.
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Old May 17, 2009, 08:32 PM   #6
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If you handload, you can get the components from Graf's. The bullets are 0.329 inches; the 8mm Mauser (8x57) nominal diameter is 0.323 inches. There is also a Lee mold for 0.330 bullets or you can get the Lee bullet sizer die which allows you to size 0.338 bullets to 0.329.
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Old May 20, 2009, 08:41 PM   #7
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M-95

I bought my first one about 1963 it was my first center fire rifle,it cost me 5$ at big five.It was a real beater. I bought another one a couple of years ago when sportsmans guide was carrying surplus 8x56r at a decent price.Love the rifle but its very hard on the old shoulder.
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Old May 21, 2009, 07:45 PM   #8
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Do these things kick like I think they do. I considered buying one at the gun show. Nice clean carbines, but the seller had no ammo so I went on down the line and bought a Mosin Nagant M38. The seller gave me a box of 200 gr Albanian ammo. I got home loaded it up, the first round jarred a crown off one of my lower molars. I'm told the M95 is lighter than the M38. How do they shoot?
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Old May 21, 2009, 08:17 PM   #9
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Make sure your dental coverage is up to date.The last time I shot it was in the summer, maybe 40 rounds and a bruise the size of a grapefruit. Its not smart to shoot it with only a tee shirt for padding.
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Old May 21, 2009, 11:58 PM   #10
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I ordered one through J&G, and to be honest, I don't know when I will ever shoot the damned thing. It should be here by Tuesday.


I don't know what else to say - I just bought one for the sake of buying one.
Hurray for me.
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Old May 22, 2009, 01:13 AM   #11
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Herr Mannlicher was a genius, the Austrian John Browning. The M95 carbines are punishing to shoot, though.

They were originally chambered for a unique 8x50mm round, the rifles being the standard firearm of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in WWI. After the war, many were cut down to carbines and rechambered to 8x56R, which is what one usually sees today.

They were used extensively in WWII, mostly by Axis police and rear echelon troops. Much of the surplus ammo has a swastika headstamp.

I'd love to rechamber one to 7mm.

Overall, a neat piece of history. Very cool mechanically, ahead of its time. Not a very effective weapon, though.
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Old May 22, 2009, 07:28 AM   #12
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Not a very effective weapon, though.
How so?
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Old June 4, 2009, 02:43 AM   #13
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I almost bought one too, also at Big-5, and also because it was on sale for $89. I almost went for it right on the spot The size and weight felt just right, and the straight pull bolt is a great feature too. But then I went home and did some homework on it, and like for most, the ammo situation was the deal breaker. Got an M44 instead, for $10 cheaper and ammo is everywhere.
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Old June 4, 2009, 06:29 AM   #14
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Does the Steyer M95 shoot regular 8mm ammo? I'm thinking of buying one, but the ads read caliber 8x56r. Is that the same caliber as the K98?


The original M95 fired 8x50R

the guns were then refitted at the armory in Europe between wars, to fire the more powerful 8x56R

I have an 8x56R rifle, not a carbine. It's in the shop now getting chamber cleanup/reamed. All original with original stock, not numbers matching. The rifles are hard to find, the carbines are a dime a dozen.

If you're interested, shoot me a PM or email, perhaps we can work a deal. I just bought 7 more guns a few days ago, from a guy that was getting out of it and housecleaning, so I need to make some space here, and may want to sell the M95.

Nothing looks better on the wall than an M95 long rifle. But I wanted mine to also shoot, and shells were getting stuck in the chamber after firing, so I'm having the chamber redone. I also have a spare bolt head and some small parts I'd throw in for free.

here's a few pics, let me know
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Old June 4, 2009, 06:30 AM   #15
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Old June 4, 2009, 06:34 AM   #16
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I almost bought one too, also at Big-5, and also because it was on sale for $89. I almost went for it right on the spot The size and weight felt just right, and the straight pull bolt is a great feature too. But then I went home and did some homework on it, and like for most, the ammo situation was the deal breaker. Got an M44 instead, for $10 cheaper and ammo is everywhere.


Yes, the carbine points and handles much like an SMLE jungle carbine, same small handy package. But I'd wager the 8x56R is more powerful than a 303 Brit- it throws a heavier projectile. and is 32 caliber. It sure kicks more.

8x56R ammo is available from Hornady already loaded in new Graf cases and is very high quality, I bought 2 boxes. At least it was available when I bought mine. Got dies from Midway. Ammo really isn't a big problem, buy a few boxes initially and then reload those cases many times. It's actually a quite powerful cartridge.

anyone interested, I'd throw in the ammo/dies too
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Old June 4, 2009, 06:30 PM   #17
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I enjoy bolt action carbines, but don't want to put the time and effort into hand loading ammo, largely because I'd need the equipment and all, and I'd need to learn how... of course, I don't like the alternative, paying a lot and waiting a long time. Made the M44 kind of an obvious choice.
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Old June 5, 2009, 02:08 PM   #18
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You buy an M95 for the history. I have 3 in the original 8x50, that makes them correct for WWI, have yet to fire any of them, don't feel deprived.
The M95 was a sucessful design, it went through a rigororous testing process, for all that the Austro-Hungarian forces are derided as poor cousins to the Germans they fought hard for 4 years 1914-1918.
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Old June 5, 2009, 02:48 PM   #19
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I had the M-95, and loved the fact that it was a straight pull back bolt, but I couldnt find ammo anywhere. Then wouldnt you know it 2 weeks after I sold it I went to a gun show and a guy there was selling Nazi marked boxes of 20 rounds for 6 box a pop... shouldnt have sold it
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Old June 5, 2009, 03:10 PM   #20
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Several years ago there was a gun shop down the street from my employment and they had two WW1 French carbines for sale. The price was right and I intended to buy one but waited too long and they were gone. They were tiny little carbines, light as a feather, I thought, "what a great pickup truck gun." Looking back now, those carbines were chambered in 8mm Lebel and I bet they kicked like a howitzer. Can't remember their name.
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Old June 5, 2009, 03:20 PM   #21
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haha any ideas of what that might be, I'm a carbine fiend haha


NVM

Its called an 8mm Berthier Carbine..heres a link if anyone wants one

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=130566183



or go to Gunbroker.com and search 'French Carbine'
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Old June 5, 2009, 04:30 PM   #22
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If they were easily convertable to something like 30-30 they would be hot sellers as they probably weight about the same as a Winchester and that is not too punishing to shoot. But it is a more powerful round and the light gun combo is just a pain I am sure, probably like the short barrel Mosins are just too much cartridge in a short light gun. I have seen military carbine bolt actions in like 30-06 cal, I was highly tempted to get one and then thought about the recoil and blast. At least with it though, it would be easy to get components to download substantially to make it tolerable. Finding stuff to load the surp gun is gonna be one of those things you do if you are a gun loonie, as it will not pay for itself probably. Just for the experience of shooting a straight pull. If you want straight pull, go for a Swiss rifle, better made and ammo is available.
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Old June 5, 2009, 07:51 PM   #23
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Totemkopf - Yes that was it, Berthier. Thank Goodness I didn't buy that causer of pain! Jon
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Old June 5, 2009, 10:54 PM   #24
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that thing woldve kicked like a B***h I had a Mosin M91/59 (One of my fav Rifles) and that sucker was bad, but an 8mm carbine woooowwweee..i dont even want to imagine that...Any other Carbine ideas? I wouldnt mind getting my hands on WWII era M1 Carbine..any ideas where to get one under $500
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Old June 5, 2009, 11:31 PM   #25
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Oh come on folks, the kick on the short-barreled Mosins isn't THAT bad, I don't think I can even tell the difference between my M44 and my buddy's 91/30. Isn't the M44 slightly heavier than the long version?
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