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Old May 14, 2009, 07:39 AM   #1
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44 Mag 300 gr. Load Question?

I have a box of 500 , 300 gr. FP copperized bullets from National Bullet.Can't seem to find a load recipe. I would like to load them along the lines of a .44 Special load- I mean something along the lines of less velocity. less kick. Any help out there?
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Old May 14, 2009, 07:45 AM   #2
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Lets start with what powders are you looking at?
What gun?
Barrel length?
Under lugged or ribbed barrel - no under lug or rib?
Once we know that we can start to give you some ideas.

Oh, BTW you looking for plinker loads or full bore MAGNUM?
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Old May 14, 2009, 07:57 AM   #3
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.44 cal load

Super Blackhawk Bisley

7 1/2" barrel. Don't have the powder yet.

I have 500 caseings cleaned and primed with winchester Large Pistol Primers ready to go (from another project).

Looking for a load that won't kick too bad(arthritis).

I want to use them for mettalic sil. shooting.
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Old May 14, 2009, 08:29 AM   #4
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Well good choice in pistols as the Rugers will handle mag loads and then some.
Based on keeping the recoil down we are not looking at full bore mag loads.
Most powders that perform good in the 44mag require mag primers.
I would go with Alliant 2400. Mag primer is a must. 15.0 - 16.0 gr MAX
16.0 is pushing the envelope pretty hard but any Ruger in good condition should handle it.
Now I have loaded this in my Ruger SBH with a 10.5 BULL barrel and it shoots real nice but I've got more weight and barrel length allowing me to fully burn all the powder and the weight really tames the recoil. (4 1/4 lbs).
To start in you case I would load 14.5 gr 2400 and work up too the recoil you want.
Velocities will be fair to good - nothing under 950 fps.
Now for my CYA - any load offered up on a forum should be approached with caution and worked up from the minimal load data - if no publish load data is available approach with extreme caution.

Just a side note - in all my reloading manuals I find no published data for the 300gr bullets. Use caution.
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Old May 14, 2009, 09:55 AM   #5
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Sierra makes a 300gr bullet for the 44. If no one else beats me to it, I'll dig it out in a little while and post up the load ranges. Also, I use a lot of 2400 in my 357 and am about to use it to load some in my 44, and there are few loads which recommend a magnum primer with that powder.
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Old May 14, 2009, 02:44 PM   #6
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.44 cal. 300 grn.

The 300 grain bullets I have are identical to the ones from Meister, Rim Rock, Laser Cast Etc. I have plenty of brass. Just thought if someone had a recipe that I could utilize the brass that I have primed with the WLP primers I'd use them.I have Speer, Accurate,Lyman reload manuals but none show that particular bullet-300 grain hard cast lead, Truncated Cone or Flat Point.
I've seen some similar that use a gas check but mine do not so thats my problem.


Thanks, Tim
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Old May 14, 2009, 02:56 PM   #7
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For lower velocity .44 mag loads, even with 300+ grain bullets I much prefer faster powders than 2400. John Taffin has written in several of his books that 10 grains of Unique under a 250 or 300 grain bullet is about all he shoots any more. I like 10 grains of Power Pistol better, though, and that's probably what I'd recommend with your plated 300 grain bullets. You'd mentioned that you'd like something along the lines of a .44 spl load, so if 10 grains is more than you want you could drop that to 8 or 9 grains.

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Old May 14, 2009, 03:05 PM   #8
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You might want to try to find one of those plastic-bound books on loading the 44magnum, that would probably have a lot of infor for you.
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Old May 14, 2009, 03:08 PM   #9
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Sorry, the data I have are for jacketed bullets, not plated. I don't think I'd load plated bullets to the levels of jacketed. Sorry. Hopefully someone else can help you out (like above )
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Old May 14, 2009, 05:23 PM   #10
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Thanks I took your suggestions and ordered a caliber specific load book from Loadbooks. $10.95 includes shipping. 1100 different loads for 44 magnum

Thanks for your help & ideas
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Old May 14, 2009, 06:26 PM   #11
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I use the 300 gr. Laser-Cast LFP bullets, but with W296 powder which doesn't produce the type of loads you're looking for. For those the L-C Reloading Manual suggests 2400 the same as suggested above.

From the manual:
2400 start at 13.0 gr. ; max 16.2 gr.
Those yield velocities of 986 fps and 1178 fps from a 9 1/2" Ruger SRH. Therefore you won't get quite the same velocity out of the 7 1/2".
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Old May 14, 2009, 09:21 PM   #12
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Definitely try some of Taffin's loads. If you respect Elmer you must use 2400.
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Old May 14, 2009, 10:51 PM   #13
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I would like to load them along the lines of a .44 Special load- I mean something along the lines of less velocity. less kick. Any help out there?
I feel your pain. Literally, since I have arthritis too. The start load for 300gr jacketed bullets with Universal or W231/HP-38 is 8 grains for about 970fps. With a heavy gun this wouldn't be too bad. Plated bullets are a lot like cast in that they aren't too hard to drive out of the barrel if you get one stuck. That said, with a fast powder like W231/HP-38 I would not be afraid to load down in steps to maybe 6.5gr. You might have to raise the muzzle between shots to settle the powder at the primer for consistent velocity but I'll bet it will get the bullet down the barrel. Titegroup may be a better powder for loading down since it is supposed to be less position sensitive in a large case. I've used 3.5 to 5 grains of TG in large rifle cases behind cast bullets and it worked well.
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Old May 14, 2009, 10:53 PM   #14
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Most plated bullets work well in mid range loads.
I use rainier plated 240 HP all the time and as long as I don't exceed 1350 fps I never have any worries.
I've pushed the Rainiers out as hard as 1620 fps.
They start showing failure at 1500 fps and at 1620 lets say lots of Hoppies and lead-away patches and time soaking to clean them out of the barrel.
I've been called crazy more than once because of my experimenting with the 44mag.
That's why my 44's are Rugers. Dam tough gun!!!!
I blew up a couple of S&W 29's and decided to go back to the Ruger cause it never failed me.
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Old May 14, 2009, 11:06 PM   #15
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Try 9 grains of Unique or Hodgdon's Universal, 10 to 11 grains of Herco, or about 12 grains of HS-6.
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Old May 15, 2009, 01:55 AM   #16
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You guys do know he's looking for a "plinker" load, right?
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Old May 15, 2009, 07:47 AM   #17
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for real easy shootin'

Suggest 6.0g Unique/Universal.
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Old May 15, 2009, 12:50 PM   #18
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You guys are giving me alot of great suggestions on light loads to try. I've got the caseings,bullets, I have to pick a powder. what kind of primers?
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Old May 15, 2009, 01:21 PM   #19
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BTW, my loads were only light compared to full-tilt .44 Magnum. I'll stick with the powder choices, but you just might want to back off one more grain (or not.)

If those were 240 grain bullets instead of 300's I'd suggest Red Dot. I burn up more of that in .45 Colt than anything else. But I'm not sure how it would like those extra heavy bullets.
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