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Old April 27, 2009, 12:18 AM   #1
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Need a 223 with a 1in9 twist rate . . . what should I look at.

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It's a long story but I find that my Rem model 7 (223) does not have a fast enough twist rate to shoot the ammo I wanna shoot. So, what better reason than that to shop for a new rifle.

I want a bolt action 223 with a 1 in 9 twist rate or faster. I'd like to spend in the neighborhood of 500 to 600 dollars. I'd prefer to get a new gun, not used.

I'll use this for target shooting and a bit of coyote hunting.

What should I look at?

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Old April 27, 2009, 12:23 AM   #2
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Since you already own a Remington, how about a 700 VTR or 700XCR. Both come with the 1:9" twist. Or simpy rebarrel the Model Seven to whatever you want.
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Old April 27, 2009, 12:32 AM   #3
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Most savages have a 1 in 9 twist on there .223 rifles and i've heard great things, maybe you should look into them to stay closer to your budget.
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Old April 27, 2009, 12:44 AM   #4
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Tikka's are 1 in 8 twist, if its going to be more for target than hunting better to get the heavier/varmint barrel.
Though no idea how much Tikka's are where you are.

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Old April 27, 2009, 07:12 AM   #5
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Your wish list sounds like you want a Ruger Mini-14, but your stated budget has you a little shy on a new one. My advice is to find a way to set aside just $200-300 more and get a Mini-14. Or, find a good bargain on a used one.

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Old April 27, 2009, 07:56 AM   #6
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A Mini-14 is not a target rifle. I own two - they make mighty fine plinkers and decent coyote rifles but they are not even close to being a target rifle. They just aren't close to being accurate enough.

I'd look at a Savage or a Tikka T3 Lite, or if you can swing the extra money a Tikka T3 Varmint.
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Old April 27, 2009, 10:02 AM   #7
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i have a stevens 200 in 223.--1-9 twist, accurate as hell.

$285.00 gun
$254.00 scope
$ 35.00 paint for very ugly stock.:barf:

one of the most accurate rifles i own.

lots of groundhogs at 150 - 250 yd. very fun gun, glad i got it.
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Old April 27, 2009, 10:12 AM   #8
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Why not rebarrel your Model 7? Probably cost about the same amount as buying a new Remington SPS which would be in your rifle budget.
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Old April 27, 2009, 10:16 AM   #9
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Another option is the Remington 700 SPS Tactical in 223. It has a heavy barrel for target work, accurate out of the box and in your price range.
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Old April 27, 2009, 05:40 PM   #10
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Why not just rebarrel the Model 7? You should be able to get a nice, medium-heavy contour match barrel for the cost of a new gun. I think it would be kind a neat little rig myself.

FWIW, I'd get a 1-8" twist barrel and nothing slower. You can shoot everything from 52-80gr match bullets with good-to-excellent accuracy, and with the 80s you have a viable 600-yd target rig. Just be warned you may not be able to drive the really light bullets at full-speed without potential bullet blowup.
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Old April 28, 2009, 07:55 AM   #11
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"...a bit of coyote hunting"

Like so many "one-uppers" here on the Firing Line, the "Kalifornia" poster felt it necessary to emphasize that the Mini-14 is not a target rifle. The OP specifically stated that he wanted to do "a bit of coyote hunting." The Mini-14 would suit very well for that, and the claims about its inaccuracy are overstated. I believe a Mini would do well for this shooter.
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Old April 28, 2009, 09:12 AM   #12
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I like the CZ 527's. I think one of them, maybe it is the Varminter, is 1 in 9.

Also, the OC wanted a "Bolt Action" not a semi auto, so the Ruger Mini 14, while an adequate coyote rifle, is not what he is looking for either...

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Old April 28, 2009, 04:14 PM   #13
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Like so many "one-uppers" here on the Firing Line, the "Kalifornia" poster felt it necessary to emphasize that the Mini-14 is not a target rifle. The OP specifically stated that he wanted to do "a bit of coyote hunting." The Mini-14 would suit very well for that, and the claims about its inaccuracy are overstated. I believe a Mini would do well for this shooter.
You apparently have zero experience with mini-14's than cause if you did then you would know that he was right on what he said.
I have had experience with more than a dozen and YET cant find one that is accurate enough to keep.........If the OP really wanted a good one for yotes and dont mind a semi auto than I would suggest an AR-15.......it will shoot circles around a mini 14.
Try it once!
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Old April 28, 2009, 04:23 PM   #14
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I agree an AR will shoot much better than any mini-14 I have ever shot. If he decides on a semi an AR-15 is the choice over a mini anyday. I would like to see a person get a head shot on a prarie dog at 100+yrds. with a mini. I do it every other weekend with my trusty AR.
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Old April 28, 2009, 05:02 PM   #15
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I want a bolt action 223 with a 1 in 9 twist rate or faster. I'd like to spend in the neighborhood of 500 to 600 dollars. I'd prefer to get a new gun, not used.
The mentioned above 700 SPS Tactical falls into that range. I mention it again as I have the similar 700 LTR , 20" with 1 in 9" twist like the 700 Tactical. It is the most accurate of all my .223s shooting 52, 55 and 69 grain bullets with a high level of accuracy.
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Old April 28, 2009, 05:07 PM   #16
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If going the bolt route makes your socks go up and down then I would go with a Rem 700 SS with a Lilja barrel contoured like a Rem 700 LV SF but at 21" with a 1-7 twist chambered in .223AI throated for 90 Grain SMK's.
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Old April 29, 2009, 07:49 AM   #17
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You apparently have zero experience with mini-14's
Gee, I guess I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll take on that prairie dog challenge any day...
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Old April 29, 2009, 07:52 AM   #18
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Savage or CZ out of the box accuracy tough to beat.
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Old April 29, 2009, 09:04 AM   #19
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You apparently have zero experience with mini-14's
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Gee, I guess I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll take on that prairie dog challenge any day...
Whats your experience...........1 mini 14???? laughin'
Try over a dozen.......THEY WILL NEVER COMPARE WITH AN AR-15!
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