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Old April 15, 2009, 10:23 PM   #26
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I don't think it would be a good idea. And I wonder where these groups have been for the previous eight years.
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Old April 15, 2009, 10:35 PM   #27
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I showed for a bit toward the end of it today.
I am not sure it's a good idea to OC for this particular event, considering the liberal medias always make us tax-paying / 2A-supporting citizen into "evil" centrals.

I did CC today tho
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Old April 15, 2009, 10:42 PM   #28
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I went to the TEA party here in my town today. I saw a number of folks carrying not necessarily open, but not so concealed either. I had my CC side-arm just as I always do. Everyone was quite at home with it, but then that's the type of community I live in. After the main speakers were through, we had an "open mike" time they affectionately called "Speak your Peace" after the local morning talk show, and one of the first gents to get up and talk was open carrying and the first words he spoke were "I'll let my piece speak for me." The crowd ate it up...laughter and applause. I did think long and hard before I carried my PPK to the event, but in the end I did take it. For me it came down to the basic reasons I carry all the time. I just made sure I was extra attentive to the tenor of the crowd and paid close attention to my surroundings. Again, it all comes down to the local, state, and federal laws and your personal judgment.
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Old April 15, 2009, 10:45 PM   #29
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There was a great turnout. There was a lot of knowledgeable discussion of the Bill of Rights (Second and Tenth Amendments seemed to be common points of discussion).

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Not so much laziness, but more that I don't agree with much of the sentiment driving them and they smell vaguely of astroturf (at least the lead-up did).
JuanCarlos, please forgive my ignorance, but what sentiment don't you agree with? You are for limitless deficit spending? Also, I don't understand the astroturf reference.
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Old April 15, 2009, 10:53 PM   #30
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I went.

IBTL?

astroturf?
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Old April 15, 2009, 10:56 PM   #31
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How did it go? We had a good turn out in the rain.
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Old April 15, 2009, 11:00 PM   #32
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Open carry a can of pepper spray on your belt in a holster.

There will be so much emotion going on at a rally like this,the last thing YOU want to be seen open carrying is a handgun on your side.

Yes,in a perfect world,you should be able to open carry.

But in a rally like this the police will be looking for any potential troublemakers and open carrying will get you on their list and stopped for sure.

While they probably can't get your firearms,to keep order and preclude you from potentially being the starting point of a problem,they can force you to leave by first asking you too and then arresting you if you do not leave.
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Old April 15, 2009, 11:07 PM   #33
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I went here in Vegas, for a little while. Felt kind of goofy, standing on the sidewalk.

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Old April 15, 2009, 11:54 PM   #34
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Tea Party

I attended in Dayton OH. Awesome. My 12 y/o son went with me under his own protests; afterward he said,"Dad thanks for bringing me, this was awesome, Im glad I didnt stay home to play video games."The point of the whole thing was definitely not lost on him. He now has a strong sense of attachment to the future of our nation.I left there with a renewed sense of pride and motivation. Many people asked about the Mo^on ^abe slogan on my sign. They were very taken by my response. I didnt just talk about it pertaining to weapons. I believe that it pertains to anything the government wants to take away. They arent getting any of my rights without a fight. I have always been a Patriot but I will admit that I have been too silent for too long...no more. I served 8 yrs in the Corps and was reminded today that I still serve. When you see a veteran thank them for serving. Do your part and speak out against the wrongs we are seeing. It is not too late. God Bless America...Mo^on ^abe CW
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Old April 15, 2009, 11:54 PM   #35
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Also, I don't understand the astroturf reference.
The astroturf reference is a metaphor for saying that the tea parties were not true grassroots movements, that they were planned from the top down instead of the bottom up. Astroturf is fake grass, and calling a tea party astroturf is saying that it is not a true grassroots movement and is fake like astroturf.

That said, I went to my local tea party. Some good speakers, a few not so good ones. There were a few gun control related signs, but mostly tax law related stuff.

The one I went to was in my state's capital building, and I kind of felt bad for the 2 or 3 school tours that were there that day. They got caught in the middle and their tour guide had quite a job keeping their attention.




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Old April 15, 2009, 11:59 PM   #36
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Astroturf

It is a way to discount the "tea parties" and the people at them.
The sentiment on the left is that these demonstrations were organized by FOX news and other conservative organizations, not a part of some widespread grassroots movement (thus the astroturf reference).
It's saying they are phoney; staged by the vast right-wing conspiracy and attended by brain-washed right-wing extremist dittoheads.
After all, that many people couldn't possibly be unhappy with the direction our federal government it taking our country, right?

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Old April 16, 2009, 12:13 AM   #37
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There were a few gun control related signs,
Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners:barf:

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Old April 16, 2009, 12:31 AM   #38
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It is a way to discount the "tea parties" and the people at them.
The sentiment on the left is that these demonstrations were organized by FOX news and other conservative organizations, not a part of some widespread grassroots movement (thus the astroturf reference).
It's saying they are phoney; staged by the vast right-wing conspiracy and attended by brain-washed right-wing extremist dittoheads.
I wouldn't go quite that far. Nor am I attempting to discount them...regardless of whether there was a bit of top-down organization (and there was plenty of grassroots sentiment as well..I said it smelled vaguely of astroturf, not strongly ), obviously a pretty fair amount of people decided to make their voices heard today. FOX can't fake that. Like I said, it's kind of heartening to see these kinds of rallies/protests.

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After all, that many people couldn't possibly be unhappy with the direction our federal government it taking our country, right?
How many people? I have no problem believing a hundred thousand (or maybe a few hundred thousand) people can be that unhappy with this direction. And for every one that turned out today, I have no problem believing there are ten (or more) who are just as unhappy but simply couldn't make it.

I'd be careful with the presumptions about what I'm thinking.

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Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners
I've seen dozens of signs that reflect very poorly on those holding them (and by extension those around them). That's the first gun-related one I've seen, though.

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JuanCarlos, please forgive my ignorance, but what sentiment don't you agree with? You are for limitless deficit spending? Also, I don't understand the astroturf reference.
I'm wondering why there weren't TEA parties (gotta love the backronyms...wait, no you don't) on 15 April 2008, personally. I guess nearly limitless deficit spending was cool.



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Would this be irony? I, like most people, tend to screw that up. It's funny, that's for sure. If you don't see why, think about it for a minute. What's today's date, and what is this nice gentleman doing? Note I'm not bothering to make fun of the misspelling of "speech," because hey that can happen to anybody.



But Bush/Stevens/Hastert was cool? A one-party dictatorship is fine if it's your party? I know I didn't see her out with any signs a few years back. I saw a lot that seemed to suggest that (going back to that "nearly limitless deficit spending is okay" thing) this wasn't just about some people angry about taxes. I mean yeah, obviously they were but I think losing a couple elections had a lot to do with it as well. Limits on freedom of speech (have any even come about since November?) and ginormous deficit spending are only bad when guys you didn't vote for do it...or at least, only bad enough to break out the signs and protest when it's the wrong guys doing it.

And those are just a couple that were amusing (and there were plenty more). I'll leave the outright offensive ones alone. Especially since for the offensive ones, I expect to have at least a few idiots in every bunch.



Note that none of the above changes my mind about these demonstrations being a good thing. The freedom to peaceably assemble too often seems to be the domain of shiftless hippies and hate groups.



Also, I will almost certainly not reply to any posts in response to this in this thread (though I welcome you to respond), just to keep the politics from getting any thicker than they already are. If you want any back-and-forth on it, feel free to PM me.

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Old April 16, 2009, 12:37 AM   #39
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I think this is more of an L&CR topic than a handgun topic...
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Old April 16, 2009, 12:41 AM   #40
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Indeed, I certainly don't agree with every sign there, and there were some that reflected poorly on those holding them/their causes. I'm usually not the rally/protest type (unless you count the sort-of-annual zombie lurch which is totally politics-free).
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Old April 16, 2009, 12:41 AM   #41
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I drove the 35 miles to the closest one and hung out for a bit but I'm not all that social and left after about 30 minutes. There were maybe 100 people.
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Old April 16, 2009, 12:42 AM   #42
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So, first estimate I'm seeing that I'm inclined to believe puts turnout at about a quarter of a million.

That's actually pretty impressive, all things considered.

EDIT: That's just a "guess" (his own word) from Nate Silver, but I'm inclined to take a "guess" from Silver over any actual attempts at an estimate from MSNBC, CNN, or FOX. I doubt we'll ever get anything much better, given how many locations there were. Still, like I said, impressive.
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Yeah and that one about bullets first surely reflects well on gun owners
Another brain damage idiot and poster moron for the Brady Bunch.
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Old April 16, 2009, 02:25 AM   #44
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Went to the Cleveland party. Strong turnout in not so great weather. Only problem I have with the "bullets first" sign is this was a tax rally. Had a few here talk about open carrying, I suggested they hold their own rally, hijacking someone elses is bad form.
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Old April 16, 2009, 05:58 AM   #45
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Why does it matter who organized/started it? There was no FOX news or Nuge present. Out here in cattle/horse country...the UVA area we don't really care. It was small town, big turnout, regular people with regular concerns, and even a few vehement signs. Too bad the signs are offensive.
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Old April 16, 2009, 08:25 AM   #46
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Who cares who organized it? Are there people who only associate themselves with grassroot movements? If you agreed you should have gone. The American Revolution was most certainly organized by community leaders, not random people with nothing better to do.

There were at least 4,000 in Columbus. 2,000 on the state house steps and at least another 2 on the lawn. The lawn was probably more like 4,000 but it was hard for me to tell how densely it was filled as I was down in the crowd.

I doubt Columbus' protest was all that large. The one in Cincinnati and Cleveland were supposed to be larger.
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Old April 16, 2009, 09:12 AM   #47
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so these tea party events are to express frustration with the current administration over a number of issues.
This isn't limited to the current administration. The last was way out of control with spending also. It is not limited to federal government. California is bankrupt and my state is not far behind.
The tax payers no longer control this country. The people living off the tax payers do and they will ride us into the ground.
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Old April 16, 2009, 11:51 AM   #48
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Two posts were deleted because they were drive-by, political and off topic. Two posts were deleted because they were responses to the now deleted posts.

Thread merged with the original thread that was already in progress in L&CR, at the time JohnKSa moved it from the General Handgun forum.
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Old April 16, 2009, 12:56 PM   #49
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Conservatives are protesting because they are out of power. They aren't protesting spending; if they were, they would have taken to the streets years ago. orchidhunter
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Old April 16, 2009, 01:07 PM   #50
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Conservatives are protesting because they are out of power. They aren't protesting spending; if they were, they would have taken to the streets years ago. orchidhunter
conservatives havent been in power since the early 80's

I attended a few protests over bush's ridiculous refund, but in comparison... that was an anorexics monthly toilet paper bill compared to obama's spending. So I'm going to have to disagree with you here... sure, our government has been spending the money we the people dont have for some time now, but these last 4 months have pushed the practice of overspending to an all new level.
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