C96 shoulder stock

redwing 40 · April 6, 2009, 01:00 AM

I am confused. I thought a C96 with a shoulder stock was legal. I read on another forum where you must have an SBR Permit?? What about the Artillery Luger?
It was stated that these guns with stocks were OK after 1981 but the law changed again in 1998. There are a number of firms selling these stocks without warnings. What are the facts. THX

B. Lahey · April 6, 2009, 01:03 AM

I'm not a lawyer or an expert, but I think they are old enough to be a "curio & relic", and thus allowed under that classification.

I think there are some "trapper" lever actions that fall into that deal also, that would otherwise be SBRs.

johnwilliamson062 · April 6, 2009, 09:15 AM

Some are antiques also.
I know they are legal and it has something to do with their age.
If they lack the stock I believe it can be replaced with one meant to look like the original without voiding the C+R classification.

Chipperman · April 8, 2009, 07:38 PM

Broomies and Lugers are fine with no Stamp b/c of C&R status. Something modern like a Glock would require a Stamp.

dogtown tom · April 10, 2009, 09:53 PM

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redwing 40: I am confused. I thought a C96 with a shoulder stock was legal. I read on another forum where you must have an SBR Permit?? What about the Artillery Luger?
It was stated that these guns with stocks were OK after 1981 but the law changed again in 1998. There are a number of firms selling these stocks without warnings. What are the facts. THX

Was this what you saw on another forum?

The thread was in reference to the legality of attaching a reproduction stock to certain handguns.

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dogtown tom Quote:

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doubs43 :..Reproduction stocks ARE legal for the C-96, Browning Hi-Power and the Luger...

Reproduction stocks are NOT legal for attachment to the Mauser C96, Browning Hi Power or Luger unless you hold a SBR tax stamp.

Current ATF regs say it has to be an original stock. As of 1999 a reproduction/replica/copy is an NFA violation unless you have a SBR tax stamp.

Only certain 96 Mauser, Lugers and HP's are exempt from the National Firearms Act. You can see the complete list at:http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/1...7/section3.pdf

It's getting harder and harder to tell an original from a copy. When the ATF ruled in 1981 that a replica stock holster was okay, quite a few very good copies were imported. Sportsman's Guide was selling Inglis HP wood stock copies last year for about $80 each. A genuine WWII vintage stock holster should run you at least $275-350.

ATF has issued conflicting "opinions" regarding replica stock/holsters.
I printed and keep both letters with my stocked Inglis.

From 1981 (said repros are okay):
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wb...f_letter58.txt

From 1999 (said repros need $200 tax stamp):
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wb...f_letter70.txt

****Only those Inglis Hi Powers with a Tangent rear sight are exempt from the NFA when a stock is attached. A number of fixed sight Inglis Hi Powers had a stock slot cut at the factory but ARE NOT exempt from the NFA.

redwing 40 · April 12, 2009, 02:54 PM

Yes that is the post. I am still confused is it legal or not to attach a reproduction stock to a Luger or a C96. It seems from this post that it
is not.

dogtown tom · April 12, 2009, 08:30 PM

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redwing 40: Yes that is the post. I am still confused is it legal or not to attach a reproduction stock to a Luger or a C96. It seems from this post that it
is not.

Sorry, I don't know how to make it any more plain than I did in that post.

I highly recommend you contact your local ATF office if you intend to attach a reproduction stock to a Luger, Mauser or Hi Power.

**James K** · April 12, 2009, 10:43 PM

AFAIK, all shoulder stock pistols over 50 years old WITH AN ORIGINAL SHOULDER STOCK have been removed from the purview of the NFA and classified as regular pistols as well as C&R. Note that being a C&R does NOT automatically remove a firearm from the NFA (a WWII Thompson SMG is a C&R, but still an NFA weapon).

I have a Mauser "red nine" (yes, original, not a Chinese fake) with an original shoulder stock. It had been registered, but when the ruling changed, I wrote BATFE specifically asking that the gun be removed from the NFRTR. I got a letter that it had been removed.

AFAIK, shoulder stock pistols newer than that, or older with a reproduction stock, are still under the NFA and must be registered.

Jim

Rosser · January 11, 2013, 10:36 AM

The question is: how do I fill out the Form 4 for a SBR?
Many years ago I bought a C96. Before the rules changed, I bought a non-original shoulder stock from another dealer. Therefore I did not buy a complete SBR from a dealer who could help with the Form 4. Note: while I own the shoulder stock, at present I do not possess it (my daughter has it at her house in another city).

April 6, 2009, 01:00 AM	#1
redwing 40 Member Join Date: May 19, 2008 Posts: 73	C96 shoulder stock I am confused. I thought a C96 with a shoulder stock was legal. I read on another forum where you must have an SBR Permit?? What about the Artillery Luger? It was stated that these guns with stocks were OK after 1981 but the law changed again in 1998. There are a number of firms selling these stocks without warnings. What are the facts. THX

April 6, 2009, 01:03 AM	#2
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,811	I'm not a lawyer or an expert, but I think they are old enough to be a "curio & relic", and thus allowed under that classification. I think there are some "trapper" lever actions that fall into that deal also, that would otherwise be SBRs. __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

April 6, 2009, 09:15 AM	#3
johnwilliamson062 Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 6,098	Some are antiques also. I know they are legal and it has something to do with their age. If they lack the stock I believe it can be replaced with one meant to look like the original without voiding the C+R classification. __________________ $0 of an NRA membership goes to legislative action or court battles. Not a dime. Only money contributed to the NRA-ILA or NRA-PVF. Of course, you could just donate to the Second Amendment Foundation I was feeling pretty good, then I looked around and realized I am not swimming or on fire.

April 12, 2009, 10:43 PM	#8
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,408	AFAIK, all shoulder stock pistols over 50 years old WITH AN ORIGINAL SHOULDER STOCK have been removed from the purview of the NFA and classified as regular pistols as well as C&R. Note that being a C&R does NOT automatically remove a firearm from the NFA (a WWII Thompson SMG is a C&R, but still an NFA weapon). I have a Mauser "red nine" (yes, original, not a Chinese fake) with an original shoulder stock. It had been registered, but when the ruling changed, I wrote BATFE specifically asking that the gun be removed from the NFRTR. I got a letter that it had been removed. AFAIK, shoulder stock pistols newer than that, or older with a reproduction stock, are still under the NFA and must be registered. Jim __________________ Jim K

January 11, 2013, 10:36 AM	#9
Rosser Junior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4	C96 and shoulder stock bought separately The question is: how do I fill out the Form 4 for a SBR? Many years ago I bought a C96. Before the rules changed, I bought a non-original shoulder stock from another dealer. Therefore I did not buy a complete SBR from a dealer who could help with the Form 4. Note: while I own the shoulder stock, at present I do not possess it (my daughter has it at her house in another city).

April 8, 2009, 07:38 PM	#4
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,430	Broomies and Lugers are fine with no Stamp b/c of C&R status. Something modern like a Glock would require a Stamp.

April 12, 2009, 02:54 PM	#6
redwing 40 Member Join Date: May 19, 2008 Posts: 73	Yes that is the post. I am still confused is it legal or not to attach a reproduction stock to a Luger or a C96. It seems from this post that it is not.