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Old April 2, 2009, 09:40 PM   #1
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SecuRAM vs. S&G e-locks?

Ive never heard of SecuRAM electronic locks, and see them on some of the safes at Bass Pro Shop. Ive seen them on different models of RedHead safes, however, I also see S&G locks on other RedHead safes.

Can anyone give a recommendation on the pro's and con's on these two locks?

Im currently looking at a RedHead (Granite serial number on the back and Granite manual inside) safe that supposedly holds 12/24 guns and is 59 x 28 x 22. It is "rated" at 1 HR @1200. The specific model of lock it has is an ECSL-0601A, by SecuRAM.

The safe has a price point of $650.

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Old April 3, 2009, 04:17 PM   #2
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Come on safe guru's, give me your advice.
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Old April 3, 2009, 05:10 PM   #3
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This should be posted over at General Discussion, not here.
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Old April 3, 2009, 05:23 PM   #4
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Mods, please move this to the correct forum.
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Old April 4, 2009, 08:52 PM   #5
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No comments? Still looking for some advise.
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Old April 4, 2009, 09:06 PM   #6
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We are fortunate to have a senior member on the board that should be able to answer your questions.

His username is : a1abdj

You can PM him from this site.

Or, you can probably send him an email though his website:

http://www.zykansafe.com/
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Old April 4, 2009, 11:04 PM   #7
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He did PM me, but I figured I would chime in here as well in the event anybody else is wondering also.

Many of the electronic locks that you will see on a gun safe are made in China. Securam is a newer player, and is also Chinese. They use a swingbolt design similar to the LaGard, which tends to be a more reliable design in my experience.

It's not an expensive lock, but should work well in residential use.
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Old April 5, 2009, 08:48 PM   #8
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So after I went back to Bass Pro Shop, I found out they are not going to carry this safe any longer, and it is the last one. It is the display model with no scratches. They did say they would take $30 off of the $650 price since it was a floor model. I still need to get to the bottom of the warranty issue. Some RedHead safes with Granite Safe serial numbers come with lifetime warranties, and this one, only comes with a 5 year warranty from Granite with the option to buy up to a 10 year for an extra $100. I wasnt aware that they had multiple types of warranties.

Should I feel good about this price, $620 for this size of safe? However, I did not see any stickers about UL ratings. Come to think of it, I didnt see any UL stickers on any of the RedHead safes at Bass Pro Shop.

So because of the 5 year warranty and the lack of UL rating, would all of you feel comfortable buying this safe at this price point?
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Old April 5, 2009, 08:55 PM   #9
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Here are the documents Granite Safe sent me regarding their warranty. This is before I inquired about the 5 year found with this safe. I have yet to get an answer.

As you can see from the picture of the fire rating and serial number, there is nothing about a UL rating. This is the only sticker on the safe.
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Old April 6, 2009, 11:56 AM   #10
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The only UL rating that you see on most gun safes is the RSC tag, which means very little. To my knowledge, there are no gun safes on the market with a UL fire rating.

Also keep in mind that the warranty on the safe is just for the safe. The lock is not part of the safe since it was supplied by a third party and installed by the manufacturer.
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Old April 6, 2009, 11:11 PM   #11
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So I got a hold of Granite Safe today, and they sent me an updated warranty card for the safe. The one that was in it was outdated. They used to only offer 5 year warranties on some of their smaller safes, but have now changed it to the normal limited lifetime that you commonly see with most safes.

They have also included an option to warranty the lock itself for 9 extra years (normally 1 year), for an additional $50.

I went ahead an purchased the safe, and feel good about it.

What is everyone's thought on the extra $50 for the lock warranty? Worth it?

I might purchase it since that is normally what goes wrong.
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Old April 7, 2009, 09:43 PM   #12
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What is everyone's thought on the extra $50 for the lock warranty? Worth it?

I might purchase it since that is normally what goes wrong.
Does that warranty pay to drill and repair the safe in the event of a failure, or do they just send you a replacement lock?

I'm assuming they just send you a lock, and you're still on the hook for the most expensive part.
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Old April 7, 2009, 11:43 PM   #13
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Dunno, it doesnt say. I have fired off an email to them asking for clarification and details.

EXTENDED WARRANTY COVERAGE

Your new safe comes with a limited lifetime warranty against defects in materials and
workmanship. The mechanical or electronic lock is covered by a 1 year warranty against defects
in materials and workmanship.

You can extend your warranty coverage for $50.00 which will include the following coverage:

1. EXTENDED LOCK COVERAGE: 9 extra years coverage (10 years total) on the
mechanical or electronic lock installed on your safe.


2. FREE COMBINATION SEARCH: If your combination is lost or misplaced,
you will receive FREE combination searches for 10 years after purchase date.
Normal cost for a combination search is $25.00


To acquire your extended warranty, simply fill out all the information below. Make sure to
include the serial number of the safe. The serial number is located on the right front of the safe
down by the ground and also on the back of the safe. You can pay by filling out the credit card
information or sending a check/money order for the amount. Make sure to keep a copy for your
records as well. Send the payment with the information below to the following address:

Granite Security Products, Inc.
Attn: Gun Safe Extended Warranty
4801 Esco Drive
Fort Worth, Texas 76140
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Old April 8, 2009, 10:03 AM   #14
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Received an email back from Granite...

All costs, including drilling and all other locksmith charges. It will be zero dollars to you.
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Old April 8, 2009, 11:18 PM   #15
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That's not a bad deal then.
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Old June 21, 2011, 09:41 PM   #16
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I see they are now useing the securam on the cannon cs20 on sale at costco!
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Old June 21, 2011, 09:59 PM   #17
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I see they are now useing the securam on the cannon cs20 on sale at costco!
Of course they are. Securam is a budget lock that still has a UL rating. It's hard to make money selling $400 safes with $200 locks on them. I think you'll start seeing them (and others like them) on many of the lower priced safes.
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Old February 9, 2012, 05:03 PM   #18
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The failure rate of our products are better than all other electronic manufacturers. SecuRam lock failure rate is LESS than 1%. Competitors lock failure rates are 2%-3%.

When it comes down to dependability I personally put a high value on testing which is what we pride ourselves on as well. We put our products through extensive testing.

If anyone on The Firing Line has any questions regarding our products please send me a PM or call (805) 988-8088.
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