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Old March 28, 2009, 05:46 PM   #1
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More HK P30 Problems...

Went to the range today to try out our new XD(m). I brought along our other pistols as well. All was well until I broke out the HK....

Before anyone asks....yes, I did use reloads. Yes, all my guns use reloads. Yes, I did try the exact same batch of 9mm in the XD(m) that I fed in the P30. I've concluded that reloads aren't the issue here.

Upon about the 3rd mag, troubles started. I had a failure to eject. The slide initially allowed me to lock it back to view. The gun fired, but the case remained in the chamber. I thought I'd simply pull out the case after dropping the mag. Wrong. It was stuck in there. Whether this was stupid or not, I brought the slide back down and tried to get the extractor to pull it out like it's intended. No dice. Once I did that, the slide wouldn't rack. This case was really in there. I gently yet firmly tapped the front of the slide on a hard plastic surface and finally got it to release. I inspected the barrel for obstuction and defects. None noted. For giggles, I inserted the other mag and tried again. Same exact malfunction. After getting that stuck case out, inspected, cleaned and reassembled, I tried a different batch of reloads. It happened yet once again. I gave up the ghost and finished out the day with the other guns. For the record, my wife used this gun for a training course and had this same malfunction from time to time. I didn't think much of it since we fired quite a few rounds and it was a fast paced course.

The XD(m) not only fired fine with the same batches, I took the rounds from the P30 mags and loaded them into the M and fired without a hitch, also. When I got home, I reinspected everything. I'm starting to think there might be something wrong with the barrel. I took a fired case from the M and one from the P30. I reinserted the fired case in the M's barrel and it slid in snugly just like it should. I tried the P30 and it wansn't having anything of it. I didn't press any further. Swapped the cases and the original P30 case wouldn't even start in the M. The original M dropped in the P30's barrel. I measured the cases. The P30's was several thousandths larger with a ridge about 1/4 the way down from the mouth. The cases have always formed this way in the P30. I'm beginning to wonder if they machined the chamber incorrectly. It looks as if they started to ream for a larger size and stopped about 3/4 the way down. Is this normal for HKs? Do you think this may be part of the problem.

I'm probably going to call HK next week and see if I can ship it to them. I've had slide stop issues as well since not too long after I bought it. What do you guys/gals think? I'll try to post pics if I can manipulate the camera. I can't promise anything since I'm extremely computer illiterate.
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Old March 28, 2009, 06:04 PM   #2
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Until you fire factory ammo H&K - nor probably any other company - will have much to say, unfortunately. They may conclude it's a "user-induced failure".
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Old March 28, 2009, 06:16 PM   #3
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I had a P30 for a week. Mine too was problematic with WWB ammo. It would fail to extract. Half of the time the casings would actually fall back into the ejection port thereby causing a failure.

I tried several other brands of ammo with the same result. I returned it to my dealer who kindly offered to let me pick something else out.
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Old March 28, 2009, 06:18 PM   #4
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The one and only picture I have of it. This was taken when I got it home...

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Old March 28, 2009, 06:45 PM   #5
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I have nothing to offer, except for, that sucks!

Hope ya get it fixed, especially for what it costs.
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Old March 28, 2009, 06:46 PM   #6
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Until you fire factory ammo H&K - nor probably any other company - will have much to say, unfortunately. They may conclude it's a "user-induced failure".
I should have clarified. I've fired factory ammo out of it also. IIRC, there were 4 FTE during the course out of about 1500 rounds fired. Three of them were with UMC and WWB ammo. I've come to the conclusion that it isn't the ammo whether it's factory or reloads. All of my other guns have had reloads galore in them and I've never had issues. The only time I have is when I'm working up or experimenting different combinations of charge, primer brand, powder brand, bullet brand, and OAL. Malfunctions are expected when your testing what works best for a gun. After finding what works best for my applications, I've never had an issue induced by a reload.

I'm sure if I disclose that I use reloads and factory, HK might void my warranty. That's fine. Millions of gunowners shoot reloads through their guns. If a firearm manufacturer wants to void a warranty just because of this, I'll sell the gun AFTER it gets fixed and spend my money elsewhere. However, I'm not going to make a knee jerk reaction. I need to give HK a chance to make things right.
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Old March 28, 2009, 11:21 PM   #7
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Given your observations, comparisons of the fired cases, and measurements of them, I would contact HK and tell them that it was ALL factory ammo that you've fired from both guns, offer to send them fired cases, and ask them for a barrel with a proper chamber.

I would at no point mention anything with regards to handloads.

Yup, every manufacturer adds their caveats with regards to reloads, and this is typically due to the legal department.

In my opinion, you deserve a pistol that functions with properly reloaded ammo, and the best way to make sure that happens is to leave the subject of reloads completely out of the conversation with them.

I would even go as far as to make sure you send them cases ejected (or pounded out) from the HK with all WIN brass... and re-prime them with WIN primers or ejected primers directly from WIN brass.

I'm not dishonest by nature, but this is a means to an end and an "untruth" that I would file under "victimless crime." Whatever it takes to make HK give you a proper pistol, that's the road that you should take.
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Old March 29, 2009, 12:05 AM   #8
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+1 to what sevens said. Make sure you do not mention you used reloads... To my knowledge every companies policy is, if you use them you void your warranty
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Old March 29, 2009, 10:49 AM   #9
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Re: sending spent brass with the gun:

I'd make sure they were actually from the factory loads (not just cases with a WIN headstamp, re-primed or whatever).
I believe there will be multiple marks on the brass from the extractor and ejector on the reloaded stuff.
I'd hate to have the warranty voided because one of their guys noticed this.
Better safe than sorry.
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Old March 29, 2009, 12:38 PM   #10
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Sell it off. There's always another sucker out there scratching a video game or airsoft itch.
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Old March 29, 2009, 01:06 PM   #11
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I would at no point mention anything with regards to handloads.
I'm going to explain the malfunctions happened with factory loads. That's the truth. Leaving out the fact that it happened to reloads also isn't providing the whole story. My belief is it's a lie. Call it hypocritical, but if they ask me if any reloads were used I'm going to say yes. If they don't ask, I'm not telling.

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I may. But I want it fixed by HK first. By reading up in an HK forum, I found that the warranty is only from the original purchaser. I'd rather lose a little money disclosing the history of the gun than to sell it without being fixed. That's how I roll.
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Old March 29, 2009, 03:33 PM   #12
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Well this is disapointing. I rented one and have wanted it ever since.

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Old March 29, 2009, 03:44 PM   #13
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Old March 29, 2009, 04:02 PM   #14
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Old March 29, 2009, 04:24 PM   #15
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Well this is disapointing. I rented one and have wanted it ever since.
Although I personally haven't had good luck with this P30 so far, doesn't necessarily mean most of them are problematic. By all means, take note of my issues. But don't make a decision based soley on my experiences.

Just my $.02...
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Old March 29, 2009, 05:59 PM   #16
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I had a similar problem with my Pointman, the first time that I shoot it. I called them and told them what was going on and they seamed to think it might be the barrel, so it mailed back to them Monday, we will see. Good luck with yours, I hear there service can be bad, so keep us posted.
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Old March 29, 2009, 08:52 PM   #17
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I have a P-30. It's the finest handgun I own.
I have used nothing but WWB from Wal-Mart and never had a failure.
I would try different ammo after a good cleaning. That's very unlike H&K.

Are you sure this isn't a Glock conspiracy?
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Old March 29, 2009, 09:02 PM   #18
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I have a P-30. It's the finest handgun I own.
Is your chamber have a "step" in it also?

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Nope. Don't like Glocks.
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Old March 30, 2009, 05:20 PM   #19
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I have 1500 plus rounds now through my P30 without a single malfunction. It really is a very high quality reliable gun. Only real issue (lots of HK's) is the right rattle trap ambi slide release level but that was an easy fix. I'm quite sure HK will support you on this one and I greatly respect your honestly...BB
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Sell it off. There's always another sucker out there scratching a video game or airsoft itch.
Note to self: never purchase a gun from Boats.

Anyway, every gun maker has its lemons. I'll admit it's probably a rarer occurrence with HK than others, IMO. Good luck with that one, Tuttle. Hopefully HK will make it right...
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Old March 30, 2009, 08:41 PM   #21
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Contacted HK today. Talked to a gentleman named Link. The conversation actually went smoothly. He want's be to bump up to 124gr instead of 115gr ammo and see if it repeats. Can't remember the reason, but he stated 124gr allows more reliable operation. I then restated that extracting the case from the barrel was pretty tough. I had to use a padded flatblade screwdriver to pry it out. He then turned about face and talked briefly to another gentelman nearby (must be his armoror). Link stated that they've seen this issue before. In a sense, it's a little relieving that they've identified this issue in the past and may have a plan of attack to repair. He did mention that the barrel may be the culprit and they'll probably replace it. Tomorrow I'm going to give him my serial number so he can set up an RMA.

So as soon as I get the chance, I'm heading out to the range and try to get it to fail again to confirm it wasn't a fluke. That way, I'll have a fresh case to send with the gun.

On a side note: I asked if the step in the barrel is normal. It's there to act as a "scraper" to ensure crud gets moved back from the case mouth as the round is chambered. When he said these guns are made for combat, I guess they really did their homework on covering the details. We'll see about mine, though...
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Old October 25, 2009, 11:17 PM   #22
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... and?

T. What happened with your P-30? Did you send it in, did they replaced the barrel?, something else done at the factory? Any more problems? Please, an update?
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Old October 26, 2009, 02:43 AM   #23
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I own a half dozen HK pistols and have yet to have a FTE, FTF, or any problem for that matter. Are you loading with lead bullets, of jacketed? I'm sure HK will correct the issue if it is in fact a bad barrel. All 3 of my 9s seem quite comfortable with 115 grain as well as 124 grain ammo. I assume your OAL is correct. If using unclad lead you might have fouled the pistol since the first few magazines fed without a hitch. HK even goes as far as to state that lead bullets are verboten and that goes for all of their pistols that I'm aware of.
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Old October 26, 2009, 09:51 AM   #24
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wow this thread was from a while ago!!!

I believe Tuttle ended up trading his P30..
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Old October 26, 2009, 11:29 AM   #25
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Sorry to hear it dude, aside from this thread I have never heard anyone having issues with any P30 (and I include my own P30 in this as well).

I hope you can get the problems resolved so that you can enjoy this pistol like you should... it is amazing.
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