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Old July 23, 2015, 02:15 AM   #1
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"Mystery" Dead man found with 1200 guns

So....any regulars not posting lately???

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...RE?ocid=HPCDHP

What I find interesting is the comments to the story. Lots of folk saying it was the guy's choice to have that many guns. The guy did NOT do anything illegal with them, he just had them. The comments more than less support the guy's right to have this stuff.
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Old July 23, 2015, 07:35 AM   #2
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This bit got to me:
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"We don't think the weapons are illegal. We are taking them for public safety," said Sgt. David Craig of the LAPD's gang and narcotics division.
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Old July 23, 2015, 08:44 AM   #3
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If you live alone, and die, the cops will enter your home and remove guns and valuables, for protection. Seems reasonable to me, but I've heard several horror stories about disappearing property.

If they're creating an inventory before it leaves the house, that's one thing, but just filling up a truck and hauling it away, saying '1200 guns', is not much of a receipt.
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Old July 23, 2015, 10:00 AM   #4
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It's hard to conclude anything from a print story, but I got the impression he had them stored all over about the house and garage. My first thought was serious collector who had his whits, with that many guns, and living in that extremely wealthy area would likely have had a home vault to store them in. From reading the story, I immediately wondered if he had alzheimers or something, and became a hoarder. In the story it mentioned many new guns that were still in the box. I wondered how collectable they were. The article mentioned no relatives or anything about that, which I also wondered about.
A family friend with alzheimers has collected hundreds of lawnmowers, lawn tractors, farm and yard equipment and about 30 storage units that his wife knows of. None of it haas any real value other than scrap. His house has paths to walk through. He was never like this until recent years. Makes me wonder if the gun guy had similar mental issues.


I get really annoyed when they arrest some guy for a traffic ticket, and make a big deal out of him having 30 guns, and a few thousand rounds of ammo, but 1200 guns and 2 tons of ammo would catch my attention in the same was as if he 1200 ipads or laptops.
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Old July 23, 2015, 10:52 AM   #5
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While there may not be foul play involved, if the link to the story is true, I find the fiancee's behavior odd. She and 2 friends witness him die after trying to "cool him off" with ice. Then she drove the body back to his residence and left him there. No one got upset enough to call for help. Not even the 2 friends who wouldn't have assumed his secret agency would swoop in to help him.

She knew him 17 years and was "shocked" at his death. But not too shocked to go on a trip to Oregon right after he died. She sounds as peculiar as he did. In all that time, she never figured out what he really did for work? Never saw him go to a gun show/store?

I saw a picture on another website, they were piling the guns on a tarp in the garage, no cases. Scratch city. A lot of them looked new/contemporary design. I doubt all his property will be given to next of kin/family. Some will disappear out of theft, some probably never made it to the station. And some will be lost out of negligence.

He may have had delusions but seemed to be able to function in daily living, so likely wasn't hospitalized / diagnosed / prevented from owning a firearm. Because he didn't need to be prevented. As of now I'd say he was a hoarder/collector.

But for all we know he really was a secret agent, and completed his last mission.
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Old July 23, 2015, 09:35 PM   #6
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Read today that the man lived in one bedroom of the house, and the guns were stacked up in the other.

I want to see the video of the face of the cop when he first opened the door of the gun room.
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Old July 23, 2015, 11:54 PM   #7
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poor guy. he was ready for the zombie apocalypse or welfare riots and didn't get to fire a shot.
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Old July 24, 2015, 04:50 AM   #8
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This is one strange situation. What bothers me in a situation like this is the cops gathering up and confiscating everything they want to take and the aftermath of their actions. You know the firearms will not be treated well and they will not want to return that ammunition to anyone. Can you imagine a relative trying to convince the police that the ammo and firearms now belong to them? I can imagine years of legal wrangling here and lots of lawyers with smiles on their faces as they cash the checks.
The old line about "innocent until proven guilty" is a thing of the past anymore, given the asset forfeiture laws of today.
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Old July 24, 2015, 06:19 AM   #9
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Think his estate will ever see any of them?

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Old July 24, 2015, 08:08 AM   #10
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Making hay while the sun shines I couldn't resist posting to my liberal friends that even loaded with over a thousand guns he never shot anyone, indicating that the presence of a firearm is NOT indicative of a homicidal desire.
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Old July 24, 2015, 08:18 AM   #11
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1200 guns???

Sounds like a beginner collector to me.
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Old July 24, 2015, 09:29 AM   #12
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I agree with the above. The report said "High end guns". Sounds like a collector to me. His weird statements? Guy was probably on cancer drugs and said weird stuff. His girlfriend acted weird? Apparently a lot of you were never married.
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Old July 24, 2015, 11:26 AM   #13
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"Mystery" Dead man found with 1200 guns

...but he died happy!
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Old July 24, 2015, 07:14 PM   #14
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The photos of his cache are interesting, and vehicles stashed all over the city? Strange story.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/...he-of-weapons/
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Old July 24, 2015, 07:32 PM   #15
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Someone has to work for the unnamed US government agencies...
Guy probably just didn't trust banks.
I find the SUV designed to drive under water the most intriguing of it all.
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Old July 24, 2015, 10:05 PM   #16
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The number of arms is what makes this beyond local news . Hoarding/collecting is not uncommon for a paranoid schizo. I know of such a person, moving his stuff can be a nightmare even when he's homeless. Just be careful what's said, can go off the deep edge. Not really a bad person, only some loose screws here and there.

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Old July 25, 2015, 09:19 PM   #17
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Remind me at the next coin and stamp club meeting to bring my revolver, to protect me from all the paranoid schizophrenics there.
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Old July 26, 2015, 12:33 AM   #18
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This story reminds me of when my roommates' grandfather died back when I was in college. He was a rich and eccentric guy who did not believe in banks and always carried a lot of cash. He watched tv most days died at 92. Usually got a call from family every couple of days to check up on him. Huge gun collector. When the family couldn't reach him they called the cops to check on him. Cops found him in front of the tv. He had three handguns on him in different holsters and two money belts with over $50,000 in cash. Guns were set up all over the house. They found over 500 guns in the house, and the best part was that every single gun (handguns shotguns and many many rifles) were all LOADED! Freaked the cops out.
We have laughed for years about that.
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Old July 26, 2015, 08:38 AM   #19
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I saw in several reports that the firearms were worth an estimates $5 million. At that price, the average cost of each firearm would be $4,166.66. I've seen the pictures of the piles -- unfortunately the police do not handle other people's property well -- of firearms and there is no way that they are worth that much unless he had a couple of über rare pieces like Annie Oakley's rifles or Bill Hickok's brace of pistols.

My BS meter is pegged at full tilt.
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Old July 27, 2015, 05:18 PM   #20
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.22 ammo

If he had a couple skids of .22 LR in among his hoard, that could bring the total value way up.
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Old July 27, 2015, 06:46 PM   #21
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I suspect as preppers, gun hoarders, shortage gougers and ammo stockpilers die off... We will have many more of these stories in years to come.

I bet his collection pales in comparison to some
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Old July 28, 2015, 01:06 AM   #22
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Probably made the news because it was in California. I have a Texas buddy that said 1200 guns would just make him a Beginning Collector in the Lone Star State!
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Old July 28, 2015, 02:04 AM   #23
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Six and a half tons of ammo is just a good start to a nice day's outing for some shooters.
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Old July 28, 2015, 10:09 PM   #24
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1200 guns...... Story advised that a lot of them were high end pistols.

I wonder if all the Les Baer Custom .45's will make it to the Police lock up.
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Old Yesterday, 03:47 AM   #25
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The SUV that could operate under water is really quite common. Most of us would simply call that a mud bogger. Round her there is a race that required your rigs to be set up that way just for a leisure drive of the test course. Why was the neighborhood evacuated? It that local police department so inept that they can not secure such a small amount of ammunition with out the chance of an accidental discharge?

I suspect that there is something going on and it was a slow news day and or some fools in some department just wanted some attention. I suspect that when his heirs are found that they are going to get more attention then they ever wanted.....
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