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Old March 14, 2009, 04:19 PM   #1
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weatherby vanguard vs remington 700/adl 30/06

which one? the remington comes with a factory mounted scope for 47.00 more.
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Old March 14, 2009, 06:02 PM   #2
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remington. my 700xcr 30-06 shoots a .55" 5 shot group, my wifes 700adl .243will shoot .75" 5 shot groups all day. have a buddy with a vanguard and it will not shoot any better then a 1.75" 3 shot group. after 3 it starts stringing them to about 2.50". it is not the shooter either, it does this with, him, his dad, my dad, me, and my wife. i have read it is due to how flimsy the synthetic stock are on the vanguards, much like how flimsy the synthetic stocks on savage rifles are.
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Old March 14, 2009, 07:04 PM   #3
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I have a Weatherby Vanguard in .300 WSM, It is the most accurate out of the box rifle I have ever shot.Most Vanguards are guaranteed to 1 MOA of accuracy,with a target shot by that rifle included in the box,Remington does not do that.Most rifles will shoot reasonably well given a proper diet and a decent shooter.It is a rare rifle that you can't make shoot reasonable for it's intended purpose.
Three shot groups do not tell the whole story,shoot five shot groups and measure.
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Old March 14, 2009, 08:04 PM   #4
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My Weatherby Vanguard is extremely accurate, but heavy.

If I'm not mistaken, the Remington 700 ADL has a blind magazine, which is a total pain in the rear. For that reason only, I'd avoid it.
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Old March 14, 2009, 08:07 PM   #5
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Actually, the 700 only that came with a blind mag is the ADL (if i remember right), which is now discontinued. it was replaced with the SPS. The SPS has a floorplate now.
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Old March 14, 2009, 08:16 PM   #6
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Yes, the ADL was discontinued, but there are still quite a few out there on shelves waiting to go.

Realize the $47 scope you are talking about is just that: a $47 scope. If that meets your needs, that's fine. You might want to consider using the $47 towards a better scope.

Either are going to be a good rifle, but as was said before, the blind magazine is an inconvenience compared to the hinged floorplate on a Vanguard.
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Old March 14, 2009, 08:29 PM   #7
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or you could just make sure that the remington is a true SPS with a hinged floorplate, and then the inconvenience is not there. the factory scopes on the remingtons are decent for a starter, but start saving and get a nice nikon, buckmaster or monarch. best bang for the buck on scopes as far as i am concerned. like my dad says, a $2000 dollar rifle with a $30 dollar scope is just a $30 dollar rifle in the long run.
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Old March 14, 2009, 08:35 PM   #8
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I really like the vanguard action (aka Howa 1500, aka S&W 1500) for custom rifles. My 300 Wby is built off such an action.
Having very little experience with off the shelf vanguards, I can only guess they are as good as their actions.
I am biased against remington and their use of sintered metal. I just cannot wrap my head around making gun parts from powdered metal...
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Old March 14, 2009, 08:56 PM   #9
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Old March 14, 2009, 09:17 PM   #10
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i like the thought of a hinged floor plate but i was told most snipers wont use them because they have a problem with coming loose at the wrong time. and the adl solid/blind magazine is more solid because of the abscence of a hinge plate. do you find this to be correct?
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Old March 14, 2009, 09:27 PM   #11
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Actually, the 700 only that came with a blind mag is the ADL (if i remember right), which is now discontinued. it was replaced with the SPS. The SPS has a floorplate now.
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I have two 700s and neither has a hinged floor plate, neither is an ADL.

The first is a 700 MLS......Ok, that's far from fair so I'll withdraw it

My second is my favorite bolt gun, a 700 SS. It's a light weight stainless synthetic with a fully enclosed magazine. It is a 6-pound, tack-driving .270..
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Old March 14, 2009, 09:35 PM   #12
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Old March 14, 2009, 09:42 PM   #13
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The hinged floorplate is a non-issue for me. If designed right they are handy, but not necessary. Remington bottom metal on newer guns is so bad I would just as soon not have one on a Remington.

Between the 2 I think the Weatherby is the best gun, but I cannot bring myself to buy a nearly 8 lb rifle when there are plenty of much lighter rifles that will get the job done. Find an older Remington and I would recommend it. I would keep looking.
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Old March 14, 2009, 10:07 PM   #14
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RIF.

The original question was:

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weatherby vanguard vs remington 700/adl 30/06....which one?
700 ADL.
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Old March 14, 2009, 11:58 PM   #15
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Old March 15, 2009, 12:20 AM   #16
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JMR, both my most recent 700's are less then 6 months old. I see no problems with the bottom metal. I still stand with a 700 ADL if you can find one.
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Old March 15, 2009, 07:49 AM   #17
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They are both good rifles with good enough accuracy to hunt with. You didn't give us much to go on. By the way $47 doesn't buy much scope.
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Old March 15, 2009, 10:41 AM   #18
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Realize the $47 scope you are talking about is just that: a $47 scope. If that meets your needs, that's fine. You might want to consider using the $47 towards a better scope.
I doubt its even worth that much , I bought a 700SPS Varmint that was equipped with a 4X-12X scope and if anyone wants it for $47 I'll send it to them. Not saying it will not perform well enough but I would not base my purchase on the fact that scope came with the rifle.

Despite owning several Rem 700 heavy barrel rifles if it came down to a .30-06 sporter I would would probably try out the Weatherby Vanguard sporter. I have seen these online with the walnut stock for about $545 delivered. The "cheapest" 700 .30-06 would likely be well over $700.
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Old March 15, 2009, 11:15 AM   #19
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I've always been a Remington 700 fan however I bought one of the $399 synthetic Vanguards and could not be happier. The stock fit me well, the bolt travel is smooth, and it shoots great with proper loads.

You should try them both for fit and function.
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Old March 15, 2009, 11:24 AM   #20
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If I'm not mistaken, the Remington 700 ADL has a blind magazine, which is a total pain in the rear. For that reason only, I'd avoid it.
I prefer a blind magazine. Have you never dumped your mag load in the woods (keep yer minds clean gentlemen)? That's the pits. I don't mind cycling the bolt to remove cartridges and I keep the magazine one short so I can stuff the formerly chambered round down and close the bolt empty in camp.
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Old March 15, 2009, 11:36 AM   #21
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You didn't state a purpose for the rifle but I'll assume hunting since you're comparing entry priced hunting rifles. If that's the case then we're debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Both will do the job reliably. Both will be accurate within 3/4 - 1-1/2" depending on the luck of the draw. Plenty accurate enough for the purpose. The Weatherby will be heavier, but probably have a better trigger. If it's reasonably recent it may even have a somewhat adjustable trigger. Get the one that you like and fits you, and then top it with a Nikon Team Primos for a scope.

If you're just looking for a range toy then none of the above.
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Old March 15, 2009, 12:33 PM   #22
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Wow 223 shooter.... $700 for an entry remington 700, that is way over actually pricing. the standard SPS in any caliber can be had for $429 at academy, of all places. Cabelas and Bass Pro have them for $469. I bought my 700XCR for $899 + $329 for the nikon buckmaster 4.5-14x40 BDC.

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Old March 15, 2009, 12:44 PM   #23
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i think this is one of the last adl rifles made as it has the sps stock not the older plain stock. the purpose will be to hunt and later on down the road i would like to turn it into the JAR type sniper rifle. would i be able to do that with the weatherby?
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Old March 15, 2009, 01:25 PM   #24
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Wow 223 shooter.... $700 for an entry remington 700, that is way over actually pricing. the standard SPS in any caliber can be had for $429 at academy
I know the original thread was ADL vs (I assume) the $399Vanguard. I was saying , just for myself, I would spend the $540 and get the Weatherby Vanguard Sporter in walnut. The equivalent Remington is not an SPS plastic stock but a $700+ CDL.
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Old March 15, 2009, 01:59 PM   #25
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ah, still i can buy a cdl for around $599 right now. none of my guns are wood stocks unless they are bench guns. to much humidity, rain, hot, cold...weather in texas is very tempermental and will reek havoc on a factory wood gun that is used year round. the synthetics that remington and winchester uses are far superior to savage and the vanguard. they are still a little weak IMHO (unless you buy an aftermarket stock), but the savage i looked at would flexed a good 1/4" either way. the vanguard my buddy owns, has about 3/16" flex. all the remingtons i have owned will go 1/16"-1/8". i normally bed a couple sbc pushrods in the forend on my synthetic guns, along with leaving the pressure point at the end of the barrel. after that, there is no play at all. i have noticed that my 2 newest 700's stocks are much better formed and did not require me to pillar bed the action, they are literally dang near perfect. if you had said savage or vanguard... i would chose the vanguard. but you asked about 700's, so that is what i will stick with.
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