Uberti: Difference between Cimarron vs Taylor's - Page 3

gmatov · April 17, 2009, 01:01 AM

Blasphemy, I know, but that wedge is not supposed to go all that far in. It is a consumable. It will distort, or get mashed during prolonged firing.

You should be able to smack it in with a 3 pound hand sledge and not close up the cylinder/barrel gap, IF the arbor is the right length. The arbor should bottom out in the arbor hole. Thumb pressure should be all that is needed to put the pistol back into shooting mode. It should also take no more than a light tap, I have read that them old guys tapped with a loaded replacement cylinder to loose it.

Regardless the patent description, though it may have been one of old Sam'l's ideas, it is to keep the wedge from falling out when you are ahorseback and changing cylinders. Imagine trying to hold onto the wedge, cylinder, barrel, frame and putting the new one in place. That with 2 hands.

Limiter, loose the screw on any of your Colt's and see if you can turn the screw a 1/4 turn and have it stay there. They did not use Nylok or other types of restrained screws. Spin freely. Supposed to be run home and simply keep the wedge from falling out.

As to the Captain's "lock up", I have argued this till I am blue in the face. IF you have a gap, with the base pin face butted, and drive the wedge in, AND close the gap, you are bending the arbor upwards, tilting the barrel upwards, raising the point of aim, shooting high. Many don't comprehend or agree with that. I wish I had a picture to demonstrate. I'll try to draw one and post my thought.

Cheers,

George

madcratebuilder · April 17, 2009, 07:16 AM

George, I couldn't agree more.

When the arbor is properly fit the Colt open top is an accurate, trouble free revolver.

Some people complain of shooting 18" high or low, it's because the have bent the arbor beating the wedge in.

Oldfalguy · April 17, 2009, 07:34 PM

THis has been a rahter educational thread- thank you all-

I was reading a pdf file from this forum that speaks to tuning of a Pietta and mentions checking the arbor length and a future article would address a remedy. By and large if the arbor was too long it could be filed down a bit in order to avoid the problem MCB mentions.

I had thought the 3rd gen Colt's were all made by Uberti but stamped by Colt- So now it appears they might have at least checked by Colt.
I may look into finding a 2nd gen just for grins though I will keep looking for a 1858 also.

mykeal · April 17, 2009, 07:45 PM

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I had thought the 3rd gen Colt's were all made by Uberti but stamped by Colt- So now it appears they might have at least checked by Colt.

3rd Generation Colt bp revolvers were manufactured by Colt Blackpowder Arms, Inc. in New York using rough castings of major parts made by Uberti in Italy. Colt's Manufacturing Company, the manufacturer of original and 2nd Generation Colt (also from Uberti's rough castings) firearms granted a license to Colt Blackpowder Arms to make the 3rd Generation guns. Colt Blackpowder Arms used Colt's Manufacturing Company processes and in some cases former Colt's Manufacturing Company personnel. Other than the license, Colt's Manufacturing Company had no official hand in producing the 3rd Generation guns. Armi San Marco in Italy produced a number of Colt replica guns with Colt insignia using the same Uberti rough castings in anticipation of a license from Colt's Manufacturing Company. However, the license was never granted and ASM was ordered to cease production of the guns.

Fingers McGee · April 17, 2009, 07:54 PM

Quote Oldfalguy:

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I had thought the 3rd gen Colt's were all made by Uberti but stamped by Colt- So now it appears they might have at least checked by Colt.

Signature Series (3rd Generation) Colt BP revolvers were made by Iver Johnson in Middlesex N.J. under license from Colt. They were made from rough castings and unfinished parts supplied by US and European (Uberti) manufacturers, Colt had nothing to do with the manufacturing, inspection or marketing of the Sig Series guns.

Fingers McGee · April 17, 2009, 07:55 PM

Beat me again Mykeal

FM

Cimarron Lawman · April 17, 2009, 07:58 PM

An observation ...

Y'all get off topic a lot.

madcratebuilder · April 17, 2009, 10:02 PM

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Signature Series (3rd Generation) Colt BP revolvers were made by Iver Johnson in Middlesex N.J. under license from Colt. They were made from rough castings and unfinished parts supplied by US and European (Uberti) manufacturers, Colt had nothing to do with the manufacturing, inspection or marketing of the Sig Series guns.

Lou Imperato, DBA Iver Johnson did the F series of the 2nd gens.

Lou Imperato DBA Colt Black Powder Arms Co did the Signature series 3rd gen.

Lou Imperato was involved very early with the 2nd gens with Val Forgett and continued on with the 3rd gens.

Snake River Jake · September 25, 2012, 12:32 PM

"Last I heard they wouldn't letter from Colt. Colt put out a disclaimer saying they didn't build them and wouldn't warranty them and I've heard several people say they tried to get them lettered and Colt won't letter them. Colt only licensed the 3rd gens and had no part in the building. Colt at least did the final fitting and finish on the 2nd gens."

Actually I did get some 3rd Gens lettered by Colt, so it was done in some instances early in the series release by Colt Blackpowder Inc.

April 17, 2009, 07:34 PM	#53
Oldfalguy Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 126	arbors THis has been a rahter educational thread- thank you all- I was reading a pdf file from this forum that speaks to tuning of a Pietta and mentions checking the arbor length and a future article would address a remedy. By and large if the arbor was too long it could be filed down a bit in order to avoid the problem MCB mentions. I had thought the 3rd gen Colt's were all made by Uberti but stamped by Colt- So now it appears they might have at least checked by Colt. I may look into finding a 2nd gen just for grins though I will keep looking for a 1858 also.

April 17, 2009, 07:55 PM	#56
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,714	Beat me again Mykeal FM __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

April 17, 2009, 01:01 AM	#51
gmatov Junior member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Posts: 346	Blasphemy, I know, but that wedge is not supposed to go all that far in. It is a consumable. It will distort, or get mashed during prolonged firing. You should be able to smack it in with a 3 pound hand sledge and not close up the cylinder/barrel gap, IF the arbor is the right length. The arbor should bottom out in the arbor hole. Thumb pressure should be all that is needed to put the pistol back into shooting mode. It should also take no more than a light tap, I have read that them old guys tapped with a loaded replacement cylinder to loose it. Regardless the patent description, though it may have been one of old Sam'l's ideas, it is to keep the wedge from falling out when you are ahorseback and changing cylinders. Imagine trying to hold onto the wedge, cylinder, barrel, frame and putting the new one in place. That with 2 hands. Limiter, loose the screw on any of your Colt's and see if you can turn the screw a 1/4 turn and have it stay there. They did not use Nylok or other types of restrained screws. Spin freely. Supposed to be run home and simply keep the wedge from falling out. As to the Captain's "lock up", I have argued this till I am blue in the face. IF you have a gap, with the base pin face butted, and drive the wedge in, AND close the gap, you are bending the arbor upwards, tilting the barrel upwards, raising the point of aim, shooting high. Many don't comprehend or agree with that. I wish I had a picture to demonstrate. I'll try to draw one and post my thought. Cheers, George

April 17, 2009, 07:16 AM	#52
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,864	George, I couldn't agree more. When the arbor is properly fit the Colt open top is an accurate, trouble free revolver. Some people complain of shooting 18" high or low, it's because the have bent the arbor beating the wedge in.

April 17, 2009, 07:58 PM	#57
Cimarron Lawman Member Join Date: December 8, 2007 Posts: 53	An observation ... Y'all get off topic a lot.

September 25, 2012, 12:32 PM	#59
Snake River Jake Junior Member Join Date: May 21, 2007 Posts: 13	"Last I heard they wouldn't letter from Colt. Colt put out a disclaimer saying they didn't build them and wouldn't warranty them and I've heard several people say they tried to get them lettered and Colt won't letter them. Colt only licensed the 3rd gens and had no part in the building. Colt at least did the final fitting and finish on the 2nd gens." Actually I did get some 3rd Gens lettered by Colt, so it was done in some instances early in the series release by Colt Blackpowder Inc.