The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The North Corral > Black Powder and Cowboy Action Shooting

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 2, 2009, 10:53 AM   #1
Doc Hoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Posts: 4,605
I am back to bother you again

Experts,

Picked up an 1851 Navy (.36) Sheriff's model at the gun show yesterday and the only Manuf. mark I can find is "C.O.M." and am trying to determine who made this pistol.

I have looked at the various manufacturer identification data and have had no success.

To be specific, the pistol has an octagon barrel, five inches in length. (Just like an 1851 Colt in Navy caliber with a five inch barrel.) Markings include the various government proof marks from all Italian manufacturers. It was made in 1977 and marked "Cal. 36 NAVY MODEL Made in Italy"

On the bottom of the barrel under the loading lever it is marked "C.O.M"

It is a brass frame, blued steel, barrel and cylinder, brass back strap and trigger guard.

Can anyone tell me what manufacturer is denoted by the C.O.M.?
__________________
Doc

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Doc Hoy is offline  
Old March 2, 2009, 11:54 AM   #2
Doc Hoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Posts: 4,605
Here are some photos

Folks,

Here are some photos of the pistol. Any info you have would be much appreciated.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Sheriff.jpg (225.6 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg Sheriff Barrel Bottom.jpg (252.9 KB, 33 views)
File Type: jpg sheriff right side.jpg (243.2 KB, 28 views)
__________________
Doc

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Doc Hoy is offline  
Old March 2, 2009, 04:46 PM   #3
pohill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 27, 2005
Location: northeast
Posts: 521
I'm guessing that C.O.M. was the importer.
Have you seen this site?
https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf
pohill is offline  
Old March 2, 2009, 04:59 PM   #4
Doc Hoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Posts: 4,605
Yup!

Thanks Pohill,

This is actually the first place I went. It is what I use for date codes.

Tnx,

Barry
__________________
Doc

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Doc Hoy is offline  
Old March 2, 2009, 05:09 PM   #5
pohill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 27, 2005
Location: northeast
Posts: 521
Are there any manufacturer codes on the gun that you can ID from that site?
Ooops, I just re-read your 1st post and saw that you already tried.
pohill is offline  
Old March 2, 2009, 05:18 PM   #6
Fingers McGee
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 19, 2008
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,865
COM is one of the markings (manufacturers mark???) that Dr Jim Davis at RPRCA is trying to nail down. As of now, no one seems to know who the maker is.

FM
__________________
Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters
Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce
Fingers McGee is offline  
Old March 2, 2009, 05:58 PM   #7
Doc Hoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Posts: 4,605
Hmmm...That's gratifying.

Thanks for the heads up Fingers. As I get more familiar with what all is out there, I will do some comparsons.
__________________
Doc

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Doc Hoy is offline  
Old March 2, 2009, 11:15 PM   #8
arcticap
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 15, 2005
Location: Central Connecticut
Posts: 2,973
If it's from Italy, then one of the licensed gunsmiths in this list must have been involved with its production:


http://www.earmi.it/armi/database/armieri.htm

Did you see this thread?

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...38#post3342038

If COM was the U.S. importer, then the initials should be listed here, but they're not:

http://www.ncsconline.org/D_Tech/way...ype.asp?id=365



In the final analysis, they probably just fit the parts together that they bought in rough form from one of the major Italian manufacturers. So does it really matter who fit the parts together and tuned it up? It's nice to know but not all that important as to its value or collectability, is it?

Last edited by arcticap; March 2, 2009 at 11:24 PM.
arcticap is offline  
Old March 3, 2009, 03:05 AM   #9
Doc Hoy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Chesapeake, VA
Posts: 4,605
To articap

Thanks,


I had checked out the first thread for a different reason but then lost track of it. I now have it bookmarked as a reference. Thanks for the reconnection.

I read the second thread with interest.

Finally IMHO you are precisely correct in your last sentence. It is only a nice-to-know tidbit.
__________________
Doc

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Doc Hoy is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.07945 seconds with 8 queries