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Old February 22, 2009, 02:29 AM   #1
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J. Stevens Break Barrel .22 Dating and Model Name

May I ask "How do I date this piece" or should I just up and say it?

The serial # is 17091 and here are a few pics.

J. Stevens A. & T. CO. Chicopee Falls etc...

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Old February 22, 2009, 08:06 AM   #2
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Steven's tip up with the A&T markings were made between 1888 and 1916.
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Old February 22, 2009, 11:48 AM   #3
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Thanks Hawg.

Any idea on if it was ever named or is it just called a Tip Up?

That sounds kind of lame I LOVE the tunnel front sight! I've never seen one on a pistol and think it's awesome.
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Old February 22, 2009, 11:52 AM   #4
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That's what it's called. Maybe has a model number but I'm not really that up on them. Similar to the model 35 but the 35's I've seen were center fires with slightly different grips.
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Old February 22, 2009, 12:23 PM   #5
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Thanks for your kind words
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:10 PM   #6
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I think it is a No. 35 Target model. They came in .22 LR. That appears to be the 8" barrel.

We can pinpoint the date a little closer from 1907 to 1916, that's when the 35 was first in production to when the company name changed. Although the 35 was made all the way up to 1942.

With a serial number that high, I'd guess it was made in the later part of the above date range.

Hawg, were you thinking of the centerfire shotgun pistols?
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:25 PM   #7
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Thanks Mal, 17,091 is a high serial #? don't sound all that high, but I know nothing of these cute little buggers!
I'm going to disassemble it and get it re-nickle'd, and just hand polish the barrel and sights
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:35 PM   #8
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I forgot to mention that J. Stevens only produced 12,000 No. 35's from 1907 to 1919 (there is some conflicting data as to the exact year they started production). That's why I said it was a high serial number; it's all relative. If it was a Marlin 39, for example, you would have a very low serial number.

They also produced around 43,000 more 35's from 1923 to 1942.

Not knowing their serialization scheme, it's hard to tell when it was made during the period.

"I'm going to disassemble it and get it re-nickle'd, and just hand polish the barrel and sights"
What are your plans for the pistol? Are you going to keep it? Are you planning to try to sell it? If the latter, I would not do anything to it like that. It will actually lessen the value quite a bit.
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:41 PM   #9
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Hawg, were you thinking of the centerfire shotgun pistols?
No, the 35 came in centerfire calibers as well as .22 and .410 and the ones I've seen the grip frame metal came up the sides partway. Course I haven't seen all that many of them but I have seen a few. I have a .410 pistol made by Crescent before the take over, all duly taxed and licensed.
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:44 PM   #10
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Well, the nickle on it is crap and 3/4 of it is rubbed or scraped off.. Ther are also Hammer marks from re-pinning the barrel, and there are even vice grip like marks deep in the barrel skin that will require some special handling to remove without making the barrel look like the moon's surface... Some entirely moronic idiot abused the crap out of it.

If I went to sell it I'd not get enough to make it worth the effort I think. The barrel length is only about 5 inches...

I mean heck, it's not a fancy schmancy rig like the Lourdes model's but it's gorgeous in it's own right
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:45 PM   #11
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That appears to be a Pocket Model, not a 35. The 35s were larger guns.
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:56 PM   #12
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Bill, I think you're right! I should have looked closer, I was going on the adjustable sights. But, even the trigger assembly gives it away. That means it's quite a bit older, but still not overly valuable, unfortunately.

koolminx - forget everything I said about the 35.
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:59 PM   #13
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I have one very similar to that.

Be VERY careful about shooting it with modern ammunition. Most of these apparently were designed with either black powder or semi-smokeless ammo in mind, which generated lower pressures.

If you want to shoot it, I would suggest the Colibri primer powered rounds only.
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Old February 22, 2009, 01:59 PM   #14
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What? You mean I was supposed to have been remembering all this?

heheheh, no prob.

Pocket model Stevens huh? That's pretty much the name of it?

Where can I find some of the Colibri stuff? I certainly do want to shoot it. It's a tragedy of incredible proportions to own a gun and NOT shoot it...

I think people like that should be black listed from society, social events, family reunions, pinochle night and not even be allowed to go to the movies!
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Old February 22, 2009, 03:02 PM   #15
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Thanks for the help guys. You're a right nice bunch!
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Old February 22, 2009, 04:06 PM   #16
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Gunshow or a well-stocked gun store will probably have the Colibri.
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Old February 22, 2009, 06:17 PM   #17
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Much obliged pardner.
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Old March 2, 2009, 11:38 AM   #18
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i have a mp 25 raven. the years of mine were made from 1970 to 1991. mine has a six digit serial number anyone know how to more accurately pin point the exact year made?
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Old March 2, 2009, 11:46 AM   #19
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I never even heard of one.....
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Old March 2, 2009, 11:51 AM   #20
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yea raven has all kinds of history i just cant pinpoint what year it was made.all i can find out is they were made from 1970 to 1991 and had 3 styles. im guessing it was made in the early 80s.
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