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Old February 21, 2009, 06:08 PM   #1
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Arkansas CHL permit holders outed

Courtesy of the Arkansas Times which posted a link to a file including names AND ADDRESSES..

Link to the article

edit: just realized I may have put this in the wrong forum. Sorry if I did.
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Old February 21, 2009, 08:40 PM   #2
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The comments on that page are truly ignorant. I don't even bother responding to them any more.
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Old February 21, 2009, 08:55 PM   #3
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I do not appreciate being outed, but it is what is and any crook who really wants me is going to have to work very hard to get me.
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Old February 22, 2009, 10:38 AM   #4
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Maybe it will cause someone to avoid my house

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Old February 22, 2009, 10:46 AM   #5
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The Memphis "Commerical Appeal" newspaper just did the same thing, though they scrubbed the addresses of the permit holders.

One thing these nitwit "journalists" forget is that there are people out there with CCW's who don't want to be found out. People such as victims of domestic violence or those who have testified against hard-core criminal elements in the past.

It's tough enough to be forced to move to another city or another state to avoid life-threatening violence. It's even worse when the media exhibits callous disregard for your safety by publishing your name (and in some cases, address). I wonder how many people will attempt to sue these newspapers for the cost of moving (yet again).

Editors like it when their reporters jam up to some Politico and ask "did you know the risks when you made the decision and when did you know it?" But when it comes to journalists and Editors... ethics is something others should have.
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Old February 22, 2009, 11:48 AM   #6
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...or to come better prepared and with a lot more friends.
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Old February 22, 2009, 07:03 PM   #7
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I wonder if one on the list would have legal standing to sue ? Anyone??
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Old February 22, 2009, 09:18 PM   #8
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I believe said writer's (Arkansas Times) phone number and address has been outed also. I hear he's not very happy.....
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Old February 22, 2009, 11:26 PM   #9
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I am an Arkansas CCW instructor.

Here's what I have done tonight.

I have emailed the link to Max Brantley's little temper tantrum to every single email address I have for folks who've taken CCW classes or done renewals with me.

I've urged them to go to the Arkansas Times web site, and note which businesses advertise there, and then contact those businesses and tell them that they will get no more money from any of us so long as they advertise in Brantley's rag.

I've also urged them all to forward the same email to ever single person they know with a carry permit.

I've sent over 200 emails tonight alone.

Hit the Arkansas Times where it really hurts. Right in the pocket book.

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Old February 23, 2009, 12:08 AM   #10
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I know it's a matter of public record but I plan to speak to an attorney tomorrow to see if there is any avenue leadng to legal standing for a suit against all involved. This is a damn shame. Some on that list have ccw due to domestic violence or stalking incidents. Now the people they are hoping never to see again have a road map to their house. I also have forwarded this to several AR legislators. My ccw instructor and 5 students are onboard with me for a suit if we feel we have legal standing, which we will know after speaking with some pro 2a lawyers.
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Old February 23, 2009, 12:18 AM   #11
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I, too, have sent email to several state reps, pointedly asking them what happens if a woman who got a permit to protect herself against an abusive ex-husband or boyfriend is hurt or killed because the abusive ex found her through the published list.

If there's standing, let me know, please.

This one means war, boys and girls. Total war....metaphorically speaking, of course.

I would neeeeeeeeeeever advocate anyone break any laws.

But whatever legal means we have, we need to use on Max Brantley.

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Old February 23, 2009, 12:40 AM   #12
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Possum, check your pm
Please, no one is calling for any violence against this is jackass. If we find that we have standing, on any level, we plan to sue the reporter, the AR times, owner and board of directors of the times, ISP that hosts the times and blog and maybe the ASP. Someone had to give this retard the excel list.
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Old February 23, 2009, 03:21 AM   #13
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It hardly concealed any more if the fact that you're armed is printed in the paper. Those ass-hats need to be sued.
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Old February 23, 2009, 12:54 PM   #14
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Go check the link again.

http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkans...n_nuttery.aspx


Max Brantley has taken the list off his page sometime this morning.

Ha!

Of course, when the enemy breaks and retreats, that's the time for the cavalry charge.

But he's taken the file down.

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Old February 23, 2009, 01:00 PM   #15
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That still doesn't mitigate the problem. Who knows how many people have already seen that list? He should be sued into oblivion.
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Old February 23, 2009, 01:14 PM   #16
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The list may be gone, but an "anonymous" source now has a website where one may search the entire list by name, city, or zip code. The data to which Brantley referred is still also available online. Even if the link is gone, the information is not.
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Old February 23, 2009, 01:16 PM   #17
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Don't matter. I have a screen print of the page and a download of the file. There is enough proof out there.
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Old February 23, 2009, 01:30 PM   #18
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Being outed

The way I look at it,by putting gun permit holders info in the local rag is abuse of power,pure and simple.That guy would be doing the same thing no matter what job he had.He needs to be spanked.Outing his personal info is a good start.I also agree on contacting folks that buy ad space in that newspaper and telling them just how you feel.I say it's time we gun owners stop complaining and start fighting back.We must all work to get rid of politicians that screw with us.How much more can we take?Maybe someone should make signs and picket Mr. Newsmans home?Gun owners as a group have been silent too long.That's why we are always targeted by the loony left.
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Old February 23, 2009, 02:19 PM   #19
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As far as taking any action- I would suggest first waiting to see if there is any legal recourse here. Gun owners need to take the high road on this one. Whether we like it or not, the reality is that CCW permit holders will likely be demonized for the slightest impropriety in action and Brantley will be defended for his.
First- explore the legal avanue. Then seek some fix through the legislative process.
As much as I chuckled when I saw the author's home address, personal phone number, property tax records, and google maps image of his home posted on the web, I think we can do better than stooping to his level. And, as much as posting that info might make a point, I doubt it would bring about any real change.
Just my .02. I'm all for recourse, but let's do it the right way.
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Old February 23, 2009, 05:11 PM   #20
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Tarred and feathered seems like a fitting recourse.
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Old February 24, 2009, 07:51 PM   #21
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The local NBC affiliate in Little Rock had a piece about this on the 6 O'Clock news tonight....one of the state legislators is introducing a bill this week to keep the list private. Available to LE and other official entities, but not the general public. At least my permit was new enough to not be on the list but there were plenty others...


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Old February 24, 2009, 09:38 PM   #22
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Here's the Arkansas Times attempting to defend itself.

http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkans..._gun_beat.aspx

If you don't know anything about Max Brantley, there's one thing which will become very apparent very quickly, if you have any dealings with him at all.

He is a master, and I do mean a gilt-edged, leather-bound, wax-sealed and printed on unborn-wolf-pup-skin-parchment certified master of the art of ******* down your back and telling you that it's actually raining.

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Old February 26, 2009, 05:29 PM   #23
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From arkansasgunpermits.com (the mysterious site which appeared after this article was published):

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Arkansas Handgun Permit Search


The search has been removed.

Thanks to everyone who reasonably discussed the search and the implications of it. For those of you who sent insulting or threatening message, you discredit gun owners everywhere and made it easy to justify leaving the search up.
And arkansas HB1623 was filed today:

By: Representatives Stewart, Woods, Adcock, Barnett, Cheatham, Cole, Flowers, House, Kerr, M. Martin, Nix, Perry, Sample, G. Smith, Wells

For An Act To Be Entitled
AN ACT PROHIBITING THE RELEASE OF THE IDENTITIES
OR OTHER INFORMATION CONCERNING CONCEALED HANDGUN
LICENSEES; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
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Old February 26, 2009, 05:33 PM   #24
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From arkansasgunpermits.com (the mysterious site which appeared after this article was published):


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Arkansas Handgun Permit Search


The search has been removed.

Thanks to everyone who reasonably discussed the search and the implications of it. For those of you who sent insulting or threatening message, you discredit gun owners everywhere and made it easy to justify leaving the search up.
You know what? That guy deserves to be tarred and feathered...and then sued into oblivion!
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Old February 26, 2009, 09:13 PM   #25
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Brantley outs CCW permit holders ,and publishes their addresses...their addresses, for the whole world to see.

And then, he blames folks for getting mad at getting outed in such a way.

Again, reference my post again about Brantley's talent for ******* down your back and insisting that it's actually raining.

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