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P-3AT (.380) 39 59.09%
P-11 (9MM) 27 40.91%
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Old February 10, 2009, 02:31 AM   #1
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9MM vs. .380 (its not what you think)!!

Im trying to pick between the Kel-Tec p-3at (.380) and the p-11 (9mm)

the p-3at i can pick one up from a friend for $200 brand new never fired.
holds 6+1, weighs 11.1 oz Loaded, 5.2" long, 3.5" height, .77" width

the p-11 i will have to get from a dealer new. aroud $275-$350.
Holds 11+1 weighs 20 oz loaded, 5.6" long, 4.3" height, 1" width

my questions are:
Is the .380 much different than the 9mm stoping power?
is the .380 readily avaliabe in both target and sd rounds?
anybody own either of these?
anybody want to sell either of these?

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Old February 10, 2009, 02:50 AM   #2
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The 9mm is indeed a whole level above .380. Ammo is cheaper for the 9mm, too. If you can hide the P-11, get it.
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Old February 10, 2009, 02:55 AM   #3
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Old February 10, 2009, 03:57 AM   #4
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The 380 is cash and carry. And cheaper. Load it well and you will be as good as can be.
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Old February 10, 2009, 06:24 AM   #5
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Kel Tec

The $200 .380 is a good deal and I own a P-11 but I think I would look at a Taurus PT-111 Mill Pro for around the same price (Academy Sports = $279) as that new P-11 and not get either. The Taurus has more features and shoots better. I think KT's new policy is life time support only for the original owner.

My P-11 has been back to KT for repair and now the sights keep coming off. The trigger is not that great and the gun kicks like crazy. I would not repeat my experience with the P-11.

You may want to look at a KT PF-9 with an improved triggger and firing pin block plus better concealability but I would still go with the PT-111.

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Old February 10, 2009, 06:48 AM   #6
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My suggestion is before you decide caliber you rethink

the brand of pistol first.
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Old February 10, 2009, 09:10 AM   #7
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It depends how you will carry it, but if you are looking for a backup/pocket carry piece, the P3AT is the way to go. Mine has been pretty good and is breaking in quite nicely.
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Old February 10, 2009, 09:15 AM   #8
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Is the .380 much different than the 9mm stoping power?
ANY caliber can "stop". ANY caliber can fail to "stop". The 9mm does use a larger bullet and pack a heavier powder load.
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is the .380 readily avaliabe in both target and sd rounds?
Sure, I often carry a Bersa Thunder 380 and use Corbon JHP in it.
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anybody own either of these?
I have a PF-9, which is a single stack P-11. I absolutely love it! You can conceal it almost anywhere, it's accurate enough for "social" work, has plenty of firepower with a 7+1 setup, and mine has been 100% reliable with over 2000 rounds through it.

I've shot the P3AT - it kicks like a drunken mule and was painful to shoot in my large hands, it's just too small for me.

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but I think I would look at a Taurus PT-111 Mill Pro
The Mil-Pro is a great gun, my wife has one in .380, but it's a lot larger than either the P3AT or P-11.
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Old February 10, 2009, 09:19 AM   #9
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Minimal guns, in maximum calibers, kick harder. You guys expected something else?
The P3AT will fit easily in your pocket. The P11 won't.
.380 is readily available.
See if your friend will let you shoot the .380. If you like it, buy it. Get a P11 later.
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Old February 10, 2009, 11:00 AM   #10
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if you don't buy the .380ACP for $200 you may regret it 5 years from now
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Old February 10, 2009, 11:17 AM   #11
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Do you want to carry effortlessly? Then get the P3AT. I carry one in my pocket and don't feel a bit inconvenienced. BTW, $200 is a good price. Think on it.

If you want to sacrifice some convenience, get the 9MM. It is a much more powerful cartridge but the gun's gonna be bigger.
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Old February 10, 2009, 12:59 PM   #12
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i voted for the p3, because of its size. if you plan on keepin this pistol on you it should be effortless
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Old February 10, 2009, 02:16 PM   #13
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My suggestion: By the P3AT, spend what you save on good ammo, at least one spare mag, and a pocket holster (try a few out). They're not pleasant to shoot, but I doubt anyone buys a P3AT as an all-day range gun anyway.

I bought mine when they first came out (so, yeah, it's a 1st gen). Had to send it back for extractor issues. Had it back in 10 or 11 days, basically a new gun with my old slide on it. Has run without a hitch ever since. Keep it clean (lint, etc. builds up).
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Old February 10, 2009, 02:23 PM   #14
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well i think ill get the 3AT for now.

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I would look at a Taurus PT-111 Mill Pro
Im looking for a pocket gun right now.
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Old February 10, 2009, 10:58 PM   #15
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Not much bigger

Here is the Mill Pro in .45 and the other two you are looking at. The PT111 would be smaller than the PT145.

Good luck.

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Old February 10, 2009, 11:10 PM   #16
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looks like a great gun i researched it a little i might get it. but i think im gonna get the 3AT for now (it cheaper smaller) ill probly get the taurus .45 later. where do u carry yours? iwb? i would prob carry it there then the 3AT in my pocket for a bug.
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Old February 11, 2009, 05:37 AM   #17
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PT145

I carry my PT 145 in a jacket pocket or in a holster.

The PT111 is just a little larger than a P-11 but smaller than the PT145. It is a much better gun. You might want to get a few rounds in with either Kel Tec before buying it.

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Old February 11, 2009, 07:08 AM   #18
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I like Kel-tec's. We've got a P3AT, a PF-9, and two P-11's. I carry the little guy the most since it's my BUG. The others are glove compartment, tackle box, and tank bag guns. Kel-tec's are great because it's no big deal if they get scratched up. A quick shot of Duplicolor 1200┬░ engine paint and they look like new...

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Old February 11, 2009, 08:15 AM   #19
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It really depends on your carry method. A .380 pocket gun certainly has some appeal. From a cost standpoint, the 9mm will be much cheaper to shoot (if you can find ammo) and ballastically offers some advantages.

In my opinion, it really depends on end usage. Target shooting? CCW? Home defense? Each style of gun has pros and cons depending on how you plan on using it.
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Old February 11, 2009, 08:21 AM   #20
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Is the .380 much different than the 9mm stopping power?
im no expert, but everything i read from reputable sources places the high end .380 ballistics as comparable to lower end 38 special. .380 and .38 special performance is fine by me, so how the 9mm compares doesnt matter. if i expected to be in street combat, i wouldnt be carrying any of the mentioned pocket pistols, and most likely none of the mentioned calibers, but thats my rationale and yours might be different. there are lots of ways to rationalize choices...capacity alone might be another way. comfort is usually my way.
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Where will you be carrying this? What type of clothing?

When I walk at night I carry a full size 9 mm and it's easy to conceal wit ha long shirt or light jacket.

However, in the warm months when I'm wearing shorts and a t-shirt I carry the P3-AT. It is so light, thin and short that I can holster it in my pocket and no one knows it's there, and I sometimes forget I have it along.

I often work alone at my little business and the P3-AT was just so much lighter and slimmer than a 5 shot 38 Spec., thats why I went with it.
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Old February 11, 2009, 12:59 PM   #22
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Old February 11, 2009, 01:59 PM   #23
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If you intend to pocket carry, the .380 is by far your best choice.
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Smoothing out the sharp edges with an exacto knife and slipping some bicycle tubing on the grip goes a long way in making the gun more comfortable to shoot
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Old August 1, 2011, 12:42 PM   #25
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.380, 9mm, & .38Spl. carry pieces

There are a trunkload of new choices available now that were not out there when this string began. What i kept looking for while reading was a statement acknowledging that most people who carry NEVER have to shoot - except at the gun range.

Secondly, in most defensive situations you'll never need an entire magazine and probably not ever have the time or opportunity to get to a second one and reload anyway before the "incident" has ended. Based on these very real probabilities, why the subject of how much kick a belly gun has comes up over and over escapes me. Who really cares? Carry as much gun as you comfortably can - and different guns for different carry situations make lots of sense so a gun safe with multiple options is quite reasonable - and don't worry about "kick" - you're supposed to be "stopping a threat" and walking away alive, not being "comfy" while you shoot. You will be so hyped up on adrenaline you wouldn't feel the kick of a .44 Magnum, at least not until later.
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