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Old February 7, 2009, 11:38 AM   #1
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Cheap Tack Driving 308, Rem 700 SPS Tactical

I had always wanted a rifle in 308 as I've fired 30-06 most of my life in CMP matches, either an M1 or 1903. Finally picked up a 308 last spring, a Remington 700 SPS Tactical. I must say, Remington did an amazing job with this setup, for $500 it is an incredible tack driver.

All that I have done to it is place a Super Sniper 14x scope, some cheap Weaver Tactical scope mounts and 1 piece base.

Out of the box it was shooting a bit less than 1/2" groups at 100yds once in a while producing .35 to .4" groups.

I recently starting reloading and produced some amazing results. Per my measly budget, I bought a Lee Classic kit along with the Lee Neck sizing dies. I really wanted to use 168gr BTHP with IMR 4064 but my local store was out of 168's and I picked up 180gr match bthp. Took a while to find a good load as groups were all over the place from over 1" to finally this group below. I was able to get 2 groups of approx the same size with this one being the best.

Sierra 180gr BTHP
42.0 gr IMR 4064
Federal 210 Primers
Center to Center: .227"

Fired from front sand bags only. I have not built a rear sand sock. After I get a rear sand sock i'm sure the groups will get a little smaller. Terrible picture as it was taken from my cell phone.



Every time I take the Rem700 out I continued to be impressed with this relatively cheap tack driver. It will outshoot rifles MUCH more expensive that it.

Eventually I'd like to replace the stock as it's a bit cheap and will not hold a duracoat finish. Add a harris bipod and a nice sling and it's set. Highly recommended.
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Old February 7, 2009, 12:05 PM   #2
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Depending on what ranges you'll be shooting at, you may want to consider lighter bullets than the 180 grain BTHP.

I commented on these forums that I'd been using Sierra MatchKings 168 BTHP for highpower matches at 200 and 300 yards in my 30-06.

More than one person suggested I take it back down to 155, 150, or even lighter for the 200 yard phase at least because they were just as accurate as 168 grain stuff at that range and would kick less, allowing for quicker recovery between shots.

Not to mention that the lighter bullets, non-BTHP, would cost less.

Keep in mind that the bullet of choice in 1000 yard Palma matches is the Sierra Matchking 155 grain bullet in .308 Winchester.
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Old February 7, 2009, 12:15 PM   #3
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I had planned on picking up 168's but my I was eager to start handloading so the 180's were all he had. I just finished that box and have pick up a box of 155gr A-Max. Read a lot of good reviews of the 155's so I'll give them a try.

I would have thought the 1000 palma's would be using a heavier bullet. Interesting.
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Old February 7, 2009, 12:35 PM   #4
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Sierra 155gr Palma stay supersonic out to 1000 yards, which is why they are used. I don't shoot Palma, but I believe that the rules require no more than 155gr also. The 178gr Sierra will also stay supersonic as the higher efficiency of them allows them to carry the lower initial velocity for a longer distance. Funny thing is, the 168gr will not stay supersonic at that range.

I do use the 168 gr ( A-Max or Sierra) in my 30.06 Sprigfield and it is a fine bullet, but for my 308, I prefer 155's. Welcome to the world of reloading. You will find that it will open up all kinds of possibilities for you.
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Old February 7, 2009, 01:30 PM   #5
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Excellent, I am very happy to see these results. I purchased one for myself around Christmas, unfortunately I live in CA and so I wound up paying $609+ Fees. When I took it to the range it did not fire, so I sent it to Remington, they have fixed it and its on its way.

I hope to have it here by next week or so and I do reload as well and have the 150g SMK and 168g SMK and 1k bulk 168g BT Full Metal Jackets.

Needless to say, I will be very acquainted with 168g. I will post my results whenever I get the darned thing and get my NB 4.5x14 MilDot on it.
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Old February 7, 2009, 02:41 PM   #6
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155 gr is the max weight limit for Palma shooting, which is why Palma shooters use them.

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All that I have done to it is place a Super Sniper 14x scope, some cheap Weaver Tactical scope mounts and 1 piece base.
I hope that is a typo, because SuperSniper scopes do not come in 14x, only 10x, 16x, and 20x.

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Old February 7, 2009, 02:57 PM   #7
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The 20" 700LTR has a great rep for accuracy on some of the boards like snipercentral and now the SPS Tactical seems to nearly as good for a lot less $$$. All the 700s I have owned in .308 have been good shooters - 700VS and 700P.

If I were to get a .308 again I too would go with the SPS Tactical like yours. I do wish it were possible to get one for $500 these days!

Nice shooting!
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Old February 7, 2009, 04:30 PM   #8
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It is pretty amazing what this rifle will do for a fraction of the LTR. The LTR has a much better stock and a nice barrel but the end results are about the same.

Yes, it was a typo as I have the 16X42 SS scope.
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Old February 7, 2009, 05:34 PM   #9
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im thinking of getting one in september after A school, with a 4x leupold and a bipod.
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Old February 7, 2009, 06:29 PM   #10
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why only a 4x Leupold?
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Old February 7, 2009, 10:29 PM   #11
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well, fixed power you get a cleareer image for cheaper, 4x is practical for my uses, i dont need a 10x to shoot 300 yards. ive heard a fixed power is easier to learn on. and i plan to go into law enforcement and i understand they use low power scopes
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Old February 8, 2009, 04:23 PM   #12
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I think 4X would work well on an AR but on a Rem700, think about going 10x.
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Old February 8, 2009, 05:39 PM   #13
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10x is a little too powerful for me, the 100 yard target would be in my face and i couldnt see any surrounding area
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Old February 8, 2009, 07:00 PM   #14
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Very true. For that close of range are you leaning towards the 308 or 223?
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Old February 8, 2009, 08:41 PM   #15
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i plan to do 300 yards and maybe even hunt with it, when ive honed my skills to go to the 600 yrd range ill switch scopes
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