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Old January 28, 2009, 09:05 AM   #1
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Is this legal to own or do I start up my torch?

I cant seem to find the info regarding posession of a Mac 10 frame. I have a Mac 10 frame that was made by bending a flat over a mandrel. It has the grip frame also welded and holes drilled. I was originally going to build an open bolt or closed bolt 45 acp gun with BATF approval. But recently a friend told me that he thought the frame was illegal to own and that I have to torch cut it into 3 pieces? At what point is it considered a NFA weapon? I know this forum has the expertise I need. Also, I have a friend with a Powder Springs M 10 frame that does have a serial #, but no records to allow a transfer. Should this be torched too ??? Thanks in advance
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Old January 28, 2009, 09:25 AM   #2
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That frame is an illegal MG and you just admitted ownership on a public forum. Not the brightest thing you've ever done.
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Old January 28, 2009, 09:28 AM   #3
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Old January 28, 2009, 09:45 AM   #4
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You can’t make it into an SMG or an open bolt semi.

There are “kits” (- the frame) out there for closed bolt M11’s that would be legal. You might contact and see if they can put anything together for your Mac 10 frame.
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Old January 28, 2009, 10:10 AM   #5
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Well, I guess that means the torch gets lit ! My question WAS, at what point does the frame or frame flat become an illegal thing to posess????
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Old January 28, 2009, 07:21 PM   #6
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Old January 28, 2009, 09:55 PM   #7
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Does it have the holes drilled for auto parts or semi parts?

If it has the right set of holes you should be ok. IANAL tho
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Old January 28, 2009, 10:29 PM   #8
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Not taking Californication into account

By federal law frame building is fine untill you put in the holes or parts in the frame that make it a machine gun, open bolt fireing semi autos are also considered a machinegun.

If you build it to accept the full auto parts then you already broke the law.

When you speak of your friends powder springs 45 receiver, is it a machine gun receiver or a semi auto receiver. If machinegun it better find some paper. If an older pre-ban open bolt semi auto receiver then it will have some value, compared to a current production gun.
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Old January 29, 2009, 09:03 AM   #9
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David, THANK YOU! At last a response I can use. Believe it or not, I called the BATF to ask about this and got a response that "if it does not have a trigger group, or a hole drilled for a selector and or a final 3rd fold on the flat , it is ok > Furthermore, the agent told me that it is perfectly legal to own and make a closed bolt pistol without BATF approval if its for your own personal use. The problem comes in if you sell the weapon. Then you have to serial # it.

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Old January 29, 2009, 09:18 AM   #10
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you have an unregistered receiver. If it was a 10/22 receiver it would be illegal.
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Old January 29, 2009, 09:22 AM   #11
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In CA unless it was registered with DOJ prior to the assault weapon ban It is an illegal assault weapon full auto or semi auto no difference go to
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