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Old January 23, 2009, 03:27 PM   #51
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IndyColts: "NEVER said that there wasn't burglaries on my side of the city, I DID say that it isn't the inner city and meant that there was A LOT less crime."

Well at least you have the ability to know in advance, if and when someone is going to break down the front door your high-end home, or burgalrize it.

You must understand... Most of us do not have your ability.
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Old January 23, 2009, 04:45 PM   #52
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dude, If I live in a neighborhood where I have to carry my gun while I'm at home, then its time to move my friend.
I really take issue with that. My father lives in an apartment in an area where there are shootings on a weekly basis. In fact, last summer there was a shooting every day for 16 days in the area. The area wasn't bad when he moved there, but it's been in a downhill spiral for some time. He's not quite the age of the man in the video, but uses a cane because he now has a steel bar holding his leg together (he was in Vietnam). He owns no weapons. He's basically a sitting duck.

He can't and won't move from that building. He's a grown man, it's not like I can just carry him out and bring him to my place. What am I supposed to do, call him up and say, "hey dad, I'd really like to visit, but won't because the neighborhood is bad enough to make me feel the need to carry. The next time I'll see you is at the funeral. Have a nice life." ?????? I think not.

There are good people that get stuck in rat holes. It's sad, but true. Some people can't just move when they feel like it. Your comment strikes me as slightly snobish. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way, but that's how I see it.

Anyway, that video was very educational. You can tell how difficult thinking about it still is for the poor guy.
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Old January 23, 2009, 05:08 PM   #53
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The only crime happening here (that I'm aware of) was the murder of a wealthy business man, shot to death about five years ago in his $5M estate.
Yes, in some areas the odds are in your favor, but I bet the wealthy business man wishes he would have carried the night he was shot!

By the way, do you carry a spare tire in your vehicle? I don't. If I felt like I needed to carry a spare tire I'd sell the car for something more reliable.

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Old January 23, 2009, 05:23 PM   #54
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quote:Your comment strikes me as slightly snobish.

If snobbish means that I wouldn't raise my kid in a high crime area, then brother I'm real friggin snobbish.
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Old January 23, 2009, 05:48 PM   #55
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....methinks he doth protest too much.

Most likely a rented mobile home.
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Old January 23, 2009, 06:12 PM   #56
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If snobbish means that I wouldn't raise my kid in a high crime area, then brother I'm real friggin snobbish.
I don't wish to offend. I agree completely, it is best if children are not raised in an area with a high crime rate. My point was simply that some people can't just move.
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Old January 23, 2009, 06:56 PM   #57
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Old January 24, 2009, 09:41 AM   #58
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quote:Most likely a rented mobile home.

hey, trailers need love to, ok?
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Old January 25, 2009, 12:01 AM   #59
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Yes, in some areas the odds are in your favor, but I bet the wealthy business man wishes he would have carried the night he was shot!
Maybe he was carrying, but I don't think he was expecting his daughter-in-law to shoot him.

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Yeah.... my first four houses had axles rather than basements.
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Old January 25, 2009, 12:23 AM   #60
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Indycolts: "I live in a quiet neighborhood, where bullets aren't flying and thugs aren't roaming the streets.......... dude, If I live in a neighborhood where I have to carry my gun while I'm at home, then its time to move my friend."

Really? I've always heard trailer parks aren't so safe.

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Old January 25, 2009, 06:08 PM   #61
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Most likely a rented mobile home
does it come with skirtin & a pink flamingo??
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Old January 25, 2009, 06:44 PM   #62
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I think it's a little irresponsible to remedy living in a bad area with carrying a gun. You first priority should be to MOVE.

Sure, you're in trouble if you're unarmed in a bad area. But even when you are armed in a bad area, you are forced to shoot and maybe kill a perp - something that you (...some of you) want to avoid.
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Old January 25, 2009, 06:46 PM   #63
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There are good people that get stuck in rat holes. It's sad, but true. Some people can't just move when they feel like it. Your comment strikes me as slightly snobbish. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way, but that's how I see it.
I don't think he meant it that way but that's the same thing I was thinking. A LOT of people are just plain stuck in their living situations. Most people living in bad areas would love to move if they had the means, don't you think that's obvious?
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Old January 25, 2009, 07:13 PM   #64
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Most people living in bad areas would love to move if they had the means, don't you think that's obvious?
No, not so much. I see a lot of people living in a dump somewhere surrounded by chain-link fence with bars on the windows and doors. But, dadgummit' they got them a Ford F350, 4X4, SuperDuty, club cab, long bed dually in the driveway and a sparkly bass boat on the front lawn. Got the 400 channel cable TV subscription and the 60" plasma screen. Go out to eat 4 or 5 times a week and have the $300/month cell phone bill, the 3 gym memberships and season tickets for the local hockey team. Seems these folks have set their priorities.

Not to say some folks really would get out of the rathole if they could, but seems a bunch just don't really care all that much.
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Old January 25, 2009, 07:25 PM   #65
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No, not so much. I see a lot of people living in a dump somewhere surrounded by chain-link fence with bars on the windows and doors. But, dadgummit' they got them a Ford F350, 4X4, SuperDuty, club cab, long bed dually in the driveway and a sparkly bass boat on the front lawn. Got the 400 channel cable TV subscription and the 60" plasma screen. Go out to eat 4 or 5 times a week and have the $300/month cell phone bill, the 3 gym memberships and season tickets for the local hockey team. Seems these folks have set their priorities.

Not to say some folks really would get out of the rathole if they could, but seems a bunch just don't really care all that much.
I have NEVER in my entire life seen a person with wealth compared to this.. living in a bad area.
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Old January 25, 2009, 08:14 PM   #66
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^^^Weird pathology, but it's common. People been there a long time, they're settled, they're comfortable, they think it can't happen to them, etc. . . . And like Eskimo, I can't comprehend how some folks choose to spend their money. They ain't wealthy, but they have decent cash flow and their own priorities, and from thier POV, they are living well. Ignorance is bliss, and they seem happy enough, eh? It's a free country, 'common sense' isn't, and the only thing that appreciates change is a baby with a wet diaper.

I do go with the 'chance favors the prepared mind' group, though. I'm not strapped in the house, but there are pistols stashed here and there, and I do answer the door armed more often than not (I have a good view of the approach to the house & entryway from several positions). We live in a 'nice' neighborhood in Santa Fe, but there is a big gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots', the economy is down, and B&E is a popular past-time here. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Old January 25, 2009, 11:32 PM   #67
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I really felt for this man after watching that interview twice. He is suppling housing for people in a lower income area regardless of race (at least thats my take), realized there were risks & he prepared for them. The worst that could happen did & he was prepared to protect himself and his wife. He was trully hurt from having to kill these men. But as he said at least his wife wasn't killed.
As for living elsewhere. People sometime never even think that they can aspire to anything greater. They make adoptive purchases to make their existence there easier, nicer or more fun. I've seen houses that folks were living in that a single wide trailer would have been a great improvement. Having said that, others would never even want to think about changing where they live no matter the conditions.
Being safe. I can never remember the men in my family not to carry a pistol & a knife, maybe two if there was trading to be done. There were always guns around, but they were never loaded unless they were on a person. I was taught to respect every gun & treat it as if it was loaded. There has never been an accidential discharge.
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Old January 26, 2009, 04:43 PM   #68
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Great interview; thanks for posting. Makes me want to go get my CHL now!
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Old January 29, 2009, 03:15 AM   #69
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Myths busted!

So many times we hear the advice "Do not draw against a gun in hand" but he did and won. It happens more than you think.

The same old distraction/action, he did it well. IMHO the fact you have not been shot yet is what is known as a clue! "He has a wallet full of money, do I want to put a bullet through it" or conversely "Do I want to search a body for it, blood every where?" BG's think practically sometimes as well.

If you go to classes on gun fighting, or at least self defense using a live gun (read a real one, or even air soft) it is universally taught the criminal fires his or her gun! Hence the step to the left etc; but it seems to me in every case I have seen of shots fired at the bad guys, hit or missed! They turn and run.

Not too hard to guess why, a fireball is unleashed from the not going to be a victim today persons pistol, huge muzzle blast of expanding gas, the sound!

We all wear ear protection, and eye protection on the range yes? And it is still loud! Imagine facing all that, with no eye or ear protection? Turn and run, why not. Action beats reaction? I seem to have played that game as well.
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Old February 8, 2009, 12:18 AM   #70
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I have NEVER in my entire life seen a person with wealth compared to this.. living in a bad area.
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Well Eskimo, it happens. I moved from Lake Tahoe to Inglewood, CA (Actually Lennox the un-incorporated area on the south edge), to take care of my mother. The doctors had told us she should have 6 to 9 months to live. (She wanted to be at her home, not mine). I was there for 8 years. Gun shots every night, my dog took down a felon jumping fences running from the police. Sirens every hour, helicopters hovering weekly. (This is the "hood" you hear about.)

I make a comfortable 6 figure salary, in a neighborhood of primarily "illegals". I bought the house from my mother the first 3 months I was there. Installed a security system, and carried both openly and concealed. When I would go to the range to shoot, I openly displayed my guns loading them in the trunk of my Mercedes. Everybody was aware my home was armed.

After my mother passed away, I was out of there, and now live in Washington. What a difference. My attitude, and being obvious that I was well armed, prevented any problems. Almost uniformly the homes on my block were either invaded, or burglarize. Cars were stolen, or broken into. Mine were not.

I am now 70 and still shoot competitively, and can run a mile. :barf: I carry when I go out, but not in my home. At night the tools I need are at hand in my home however.

I feels sorry for you youngsters, and what the future looks like. I went from a society that I could look at an add, write a check and get a gun delivered in the mail, to now I cannot even mail a gun to my son.

The pendulum is swinging in the wrong direction.
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Old February 8, 2009, 12:44 AM   #71
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Well said Old Wanderer!!
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Old February 10, 2009, 12:22 PM   #72
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“Installed a security system, and carried both openly and concealed. When I would go to the range to shoot, I openly displayed my guns loading them in the trunk of my Mercedes. Everybody was aware my home was armed. “

Old Wanderer’s open display is often the key to self preservation.

For what it’s worth, this is a true story.

Many years ago when I was a young sailor, two buddies’ and I rented a small apartment in the most crime ridden drug infested part of Charleston South Carolina. Practically everyone that lived in that apartment block got broken into at one time or another and drug related shootings were common place. Why did we live there you may ask? It was either that or the barracks on Base, not very conducive to the way’s of sailors, we were broke, very young and indestructible too; in any event, the first night we were there we had a visitor knock on the door, my buddy looked out the peep hole to see a shady looking character, instead of asking what he wanted my buddy threw the door wide open, the shady character never missed a beat he confidently stepped into the apartment and promptly asked my shipmate if he wanted to buy some drugs, his smile soon faded when he turned his head my way, me and my buddy where both holding .45’s, on the kitchen table were two pump shotguns and the look on our faces said it all. Subject drug dealer promptly say’s “never mind, my mistake” and leaves very quickly. We were in that apartment for two years and never so much as had a broken window, our cars never got touched and we were often away TAD for weeks at a time. When we left the hookers in the corner apartment told us that we never had a problem because the word had been out on the street since day one: “Don’t mess with the white boys in 3B.”

Criminals prey on the weak not the strong.
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Old February 12, 2009, 12:22 AM   #73
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Wow. Impressive delivery. The thing that really irked me was hearing the two deceased vermin referred to as "gentlemen" continuously.

But I understand it.

As for wearing a gun at home, I do. Home invasions are in the news every day. Often a wrong address.

Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean somebody's not really out to get you.
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Old February 12, 2009, 01:10 AM   #74
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know I'll get a ton of flack for this but....I think (me, not anybody else, so its MY opinion) that if people feel they MUST carry inside their house then its borderline paranoia.
If you've ever studied home invasion robberies, it's hard not to be impressed with how fast they can smash down your door and be in your face. Had several in my community that happened in neighborhoods "where that never happens".

What kind of neighborhoods do you think home invasion robbers go to and hold a gun to your family members' heads while you go to the ATM and withdraw your savings?

New flash: Latest trend in Latin America is to kidnap the victim (home invasion?) and force him to withdraw funds by pc furnished by the high tech criminals. I mean ALL of your life savings. Bank. Brokerage accts: Everything. Survival rate for victims? Very low. Seems the bad guys don't like witnesses.

Don't worry, though. What's in Latin America stays there. Right?

Been lots of funerals for people who weren't paranoid enough. Guess they figured the odds were in favor of it not happening to them. Just other people.

I don't have to arm my self in my home, but I also see no need to immediately disarm myself when I get home, either.

In my living room, typing as I am at this moment, or watching t.v., I've got a gun in two steps. In the bedroom, a shotgun in one and a half, and a pistol within reach while in bed--the one in the living room goes with me.

I have a gun safe that's been seen by various utility workers while in my house--from CATV, to Telco, Power Co., etc. There are neigbors who've been in my home. I've had ammo delivered to my house on numerous occasions.

Might not be a secret that I have firearms in my house that Bubba might be interested in.

Call me that paranoid 'ol retired guy.

Oh, almost forgot. Congradulations to the ol' codger--for surviving.
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Old February 12, 2009, 12:51 PM   #75
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HERO! I have sent this to everyone I know.

One question: What Police Dept has Tec 9's??? I'm guessing stolen from the evidence lockers?
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