Wait, what?

john1911 · January 15, 2009, 04:45 PM

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=331657

A staff member post an inflammatory rant (supposedly about snubbies) directed towards Ruger by a "nationally known trainer". Won't name this "nationally known trainer" and then locks the thread because people won't buy the anti-Ruger rant.

Curious.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · January 15, 2009, 05:09 PM

Once again:

I locked it because despite the harsh rhetoric of the piece, it made some valid points. It was not written for general consumption originally but I had permission to post it. It was for a private group that talks its mind frankly. So there is no insult aimed at you. Do we get that?

When the responses were just starting to be about the style of the OP and trying to make more witty comments, I felt we weren't going anywhere.

Feel free to start a new thread about:

1. The utility of this particular gun
2. The general utility of snubbies for the carrying public
3. Training issues for their usage.

john1911 · January 15, 2009, 05:55 PM

I never claimed that I was, or felt, insulted.

Quote:

It was not written for general consumption originally but I had permission to post it.

Permission to post, yet not to name the author? Seems to me that if the author felt this strongly about the issue, he would want his name out there. Unless, of course, he felt there may be repercussions from his statements.

Personally, I don't care what some unnamed "nationally known trainer" thinks about anything. Especially hearing his views secondhand over the 'net. I do fear his statements could turn less informed potential gun owners off to a particular gun.

Quote:

Feel free to start a new thread about:

1. The utility of this particular gun

Not possible at this time. These won't be available to the public until March (according to the Ruger site). I imagine not more than 5 non-Ruger employees had touched one of these prior to yesterday.

While there has been a lot of bashing based on looks, I refuse to judge any gun based solely on that factor.

I do intend to purchase a LCR in the future, after any potential bugs have been worked out. Until then, I will withhold judgement.

B.N.Real · January 15, 2009, 07:04 PM

Got in before they locked it.

All I wanted to say.

ActivShootr · January 15, 2009, 07:13 PM

A few gunwriters have seen them.

That "Firearms & Bullets" mag has already reviewed it. Be out in a month or two.

Teuthis · January 15, 2009, 07:13 PM

I think it would have been better to just delete the original post, because it had criticizms about Ruger by someone who may or may not, and probably not, be qualified to make them anyway. It can cause people who are seeking knowledge and information here to develop unreasonable bias against an excellent manufacturer.

So many of these "gun celebrities" do not have enough, or any, practical experience in fire fights to be preaching to us anyway. If they cannot make their statements publicly and stand up to disagreement, then they should not be posted. I have encountered virtually no one in the national scene whose opinion I would care about anyway.

**Glenn E. Meyer** · January 15, 2009, 07:28 PM

Geez guys - do you read? It was my decision to post it in the form that it was done. It wasn't written for this forum. I thought it might be useful.

I'm the one who said the person was a nationally known trainer.

So blame me or get that point. I take full responsibility for the post.

Glenn

Sarvisian · January 15, 2009, 08:48 PM

I get that the piece wasn't written for TFL consumption, I also get that this super trainer shows his (or her) bias to the point that the opinion is basically worthless. Any day of any week there are people that can do amazing things with these low capacity, heavy triggered, worthless pieces of (paraphrased)junk. I'll bet there are any number of these folks that could teach your friend a thing or two if they could get past the obvious ego problem.

**Mike Irwin** · January 15, 2009, 09:13 PM

OK, enough.

Glenn can reopen this if he wants, but he's explained why he posted the piece that he did, and why he closed it.

Don't like it? Take it up with him in a private message.

Have a strong opinion of your own on the utility of small handguns? Great, welcome to the club.

January 15, 2009, 04:45 PM	#1
john1911 Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2006 Location: The relatively sane part of IL Posts: 383	Wait, what? http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=331657 A staff member post an inflammatory rant (supposedly about snubbies) directed towards Ruger by a "nationally known trainer". Won't name this "nationally known trainer" and then locks the thread because people won't buy the anti-Ruger rant. Curious. __________________ Almost any problem can be solved by a liberal dose of .45 230 gr JHPs.

January 15, 2009, 05:09 PM	#2
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,137	Once again: I locked it because despite the harsh rhetoric of the piece, it made some valid points. It was not written for general consumption originally but I had permission to post it. It was for a private group that talks its mind frankly. So there is no insult aimed at you. Do we get that? When the responses were just starting to be about the style of the OP and trying to make more witty comments, I felt we weren't going anywhere. Feel free to start a new thread about: 1. The utility of this particular gun 2. The general utility of snubbies for the carrying public 3. Training issues for their usage. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

January 15, 2009, 07:13 PM	#6
Teuthis Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2008 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 537	I think it would have been better to just delete the original post, because it had criticizms about Ruger by someone who may or may not, and probably not, be qualified to make them anyway. It can cause people who are seeking knowledge and information here to develop unreasonable bias against an excellent manufacturer. So many of these "gun celebrities" do not have enough, or any, practical experience in fire fights to be preaching to us anyway. If they cannot make their statements publicly and stand up to disagreement, then they should not be posted. I have encountered virtually no one in the national scene whose opinion I would care about anyway. __________________ Oderint dum Metuant

January 15, 2009, 07:28 PM	#7
Glenn E. Meyer Staff Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 13,137	Geez guys - do you read? It was my decision to post it in the form that it was done. It wasn't written for this forum. I thought it might be useful. I'm the one who said the person was a nationally known trainer. So blame me or get that point. I take full responsibility for the post. Glenn __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm Being an Academic Shooter http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm Being an Active Shooter

January 15, 2009, 07:04 PM	#4
B.N.Real Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Posts: 4,016	Got in before they locked it. All I wanted to say.

January 15, 2009, 07:13 PM	#5
ActivShootr Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2007 Posts: 1,040	A few gunwriters have seen them. That "Firearms & Bullets" mag has already reviewed it. Be out in a month or two.

January 15, 2009, 08:48 PM	#8
Sarvisian Member Join Date: December 30, 2007 Posts: 99	I get that the piece wasn't written for TFL consumption, I also get that this super trainer shows his (or her) bias to the point that the opinion is basically worthless. Any day of any week there are people that can do amazing things with these low capacity, heavy triggered, worthless pieces of (paraphrased)junk. I'll bet there are any number of these folks that could teach your friend a thing or two if they could get past the obvious ego problem.

January 15, 2009, 09:13 PM	#9
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 33,102	OK, enough. Glenn can reopen this if he wants, but he's explained why he posted the piece that he did, and why he closed it. Don't like it? Take it up with him in a private message. Have a strong opinion of your own on the utility of small handguns? Great, welcome to the club.