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Old January 13, 2009, 07:58 AM   #1
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Best gun finish

In your opinion, what is the most durable surface treatment a handgun can have ? I like Manganese phosphate and old facioned hot bluing.
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Old January 13, 2009, 08:23 AM   #2
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When you say surface treatment, I assume you're discounting Tenifer or anything that actually penetrates the metal?
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Old January 13, 2009, 08:38 AM   #3
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No.
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Old January 13, 2009, 08:50 AM   #4
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and old facioned hot bluing
Bluing is possibly the least durable and least protective finish. It's really no better than bare metal for durability, and since "bluing" is controlled rust, rusts nearly as well as steel "in the white."

The Army figrured this out during WWI, and specified Parkerizing (manganese phosphate) for small arms, beginning in November 1918. Parkerizing has remained the US military small arms finish of choice (for steel, of course) ever since.

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Old January 13, 2009, 08:56 AM   #5
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All things considered, hard chrome is the most durable finish I've ever seen/used. You don't have it get it shiny, you can get brushed chrome that looks more like stainless. But chrome is nearly impossible to scratch and it doesn't show any signs of holster wear - ever.
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Old January 13, 2009, 09:00 AM   #6
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I prefer no finish applied. Just Stainless Steel. Easy to maintain. You can make it glossy or a brushed finish with simple abrasives.
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Old January 13, 2009, 09:05 AM   #7
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Tenifer. Easy.
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Old January 13, 2009, 09:07 AM   #8
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Melonite QPQ ( altso known as tenifer ) does not look bad.

Here are two examples:

http://thecommander.smugmug.com/photos/121116705-M.jpg

Kimber TLE-II


http://thecommander.smugmug.com/photos/120580101-M.jpg

FN Hipower, cut down to Commander size
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Old January 13, 2009, 09:07 AM   #9
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All things considered, hard chrome is the most durable finish I've ever seen/used. You don't have it get it shiny, you can get brushed chrome that looks more like stainless. But chrome is nearly impossible to scratch and it doesn't show any signs of holster wear - ever.
hmmmm...then I guess all those chromed pistols I've seen in gunshops with chipped finishes with rust beneath the chrome were just my imagination?

My personal recommendation if you're looking for the best possible finish for a pistol is Robar NP3: http://www.robarguns.com/np3.htm
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Old January 13, 2009, 09:26 AM   #10
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Stainless, then nickle/chrome and tennifer.
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Old January 13, 2009, 09:39 AM   #11
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I always thought that Nickel Plated and Teflon is the best stuff.
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Old January 13, 2009, 10:25 AM   #12
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brushed nickel, then stainless.
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Old January 13, 2009, 12:54 PM   #13
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Nickel? Really? Nickel chips away just like any thing "plated". IMO plain jane stainless, then Tenifer. You dont see a glock finish chipped up ever. Holster wear maybe, but the finish won't chip away like nickel or chrome.
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Old January 13, 2009, 02:30 PM   #14
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GonKote is pretty good stuff but there's another called Cerakote that's supposed to be better.
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Old January 13, 2009, 02:34 PM   #15
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My vote is for Walter Birdsong's Black-T....
also available is Green-T, Brown-T and possibly Tan-T

Seriously..... this is an excellent finish for your weapon
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Old January 13, 2009, 09:26 PM   #16
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Honestly,can Stainless be beat?

It's all the way through the handgun.

Yes,it can get rust on it but it polishes right out.

I like blued handguns myself but for a everyday carry weapon,I would think nothing can beat a Stainless gun.
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Old January 13, 2009, 11:19 PM   #17
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Stainless is prone to certain problems. It is softer than carbon steel, so therefore not as durable in hard use. Also, stainless on stainless creates a gauling potential, requiring more care with lubrication. I prefer carbon steel guns, particularly pistols where friction is significant. My favorite finish is Armortuff, which is much harder than some of the others. I haven't had some of the others so I don't know about them, but Armortuff is better than the blued, black oxide, baercoat, or gencoat finishes I've had.
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Old January 13, 2009, 11:35 PM   #18
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For applied finishes, nitriding is probably the toughest, followed by industrial hard chrome. Hard chrome, properly applied, does not flake.
Either of these finishes are light years ahead of the others.
The paint-on finishes are OK as long as their surface is not compromised, but they are still paint-and paint wears through. Teflon is soft enough that it wears through.
Nickel plating is very durable.
Parkerizing is OK.
Bluing is not particularly durable.
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Old January 14, 2009, 08:18 AM   #19
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Stainless steel.
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Old January 15, 2009, 09:07 AM   #20
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MY personal experience with Robar's proprietary NP3 currently has me ranking it as the 'best'.

At RC 52 it is 'harder' than the gunmetal it is deposited on, and its corrosion resistance is well-proven.
Its Teflon matrix allows for constant refreshment of the Teflon's lubricating properties.

Yet I'm still testing one 1911 frame finished with an electroless nickel / boron carbide matrix.
Ask me about it in ten years.
(I'm considering having its stainless steel slide finished in NP3.)


Hardchromed guns rust. Stainless steel guns rust. Polymer-finished guns eventually wear through their coating; same with ceramic-based finishes (although they are all very good).

It ain't finished.......
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Old January 15, 2009, 06:47 PM   #21
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I used to apply industrial coatings to aircraft parts for a living. Hard chrome is a very different thing from the coating you see on cheap guns. Hard chrome is the substance you see on the inside of hydraulic cylinders, chrome lined rifle barrels, high speed industrial tooling etc. It is very durable and rust resistant. The coating you see on cheap guns is like the chrome they used to put on car bumpers back in the day. Not very durable or rust resistant.
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Old February 7, 2009, 11:33 PM   #22
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gun kote is good

[IMG][/IMG]i have been using the product for a long time and love it here is my walther p99
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Old February 7, 2009, 11:49 PM   #23
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I prefer stainless. Looks great and easy to maintain.
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Old February 8, 2009, 12:04 AM   #24
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I've got a Kahr K40 that has a Black-T finish. Frankly, I'm not impressed. It wears very quickly at the corners and high points of the slide. It is far, far softer than Tenifer.
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Old February 9, 2009, 10:06 AM   #25
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I'm a fan of stainless. Rugged, easy to maintain, looks great.
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