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Old January 10, 2009, 02:40 PM   #1
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AR-15 Ammunition Recommendations

I have recently purchased a Stag AR-15 and would like to hear people's opinions on recommended ammo. I am budget-minded and looking to stock up over the next couple of months.

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Old January 10, 2009, 02:43 PM   #2
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Georgia Arms Canned Heat.

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Old January 12, 2009, 10:07 AM   #3
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What's the bbls twist & what are you planning to do with it?
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Old January 12, 2009, 12:35 PM   #4
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I recently discovered this website, and found this smoking deal on there...

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...oducts_id/2131

That's what I'm going with within a few weeks or so. I'm not getting that much, probably just picking up a couple hundred rounds, but they sell it in bulk at 500 rounds and 1000 rounds if youre interested. $38.00 for 100 rounds of .223 is a hell of a deal... that's $0.38 a round. Compare that to what itll cost you for Remington, which goes for anywhere from $0.60 a round to $0.90 a round. I know you get what you pay for, but Wolf (which will never touch my gun) goes for around $0.30 a round, and the stuff I posted from the reviews ive read is much better than Wolf. Ill pay the extra $0.08 for the stuff from ammunitiontogo
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Old January 12, 2009, 07:28 PM   #5
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My Stag AR is a carbine with a 1/9 barrel.

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Old January 15, 2009, 04:18 AM   #6
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I would go with what it is designed for - 5.56 not 223.
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Old January 15, 2009, 07:37 AM   #7
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GLPStandard,

Looks like you won't be going with that in a couple of weeks because your deal seems to be GONE! Oops!

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Old January 15, 2009, 07:41 AM   #8
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To the OP: 1/9 barrels generally work better with smaller bullets like 55-69gr. Bigger bullets lose stability out of a 1/9.
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Old January 15, 2009, 08:21 AM   #9
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my sig liked pmc 55 gr

I have run about 600 rounds through my sig 556 and it really seemed to like the 55 gr PCM ammo that I would usually find for about 250-280 per thousand .... try it and I think you will like it also
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Old January 15, 2009, 10:06 AM   #10
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Ammo

Here is a good place to look!

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...equestid=31456
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Old January 15, 2009, 11:21 AM   #11
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I am budget-minded and looking to stock up over the next couple of months.
Time to start reloading. If I had to pay $0.38 per round, I couldn't afford to shoot. Assuming that you have brass, you can reload for about $0.20-$.22 per round or less( about 10 cents per bullet 55grain FMJ, three cents for the primer and seven cents for the powder - 25 grains from a $20 a pound can.) Buy in bulk or find better prices and you can be at half of the $0.38 figure. For the kind of money that you are talking about spending, you could buy everything that you need to start, including components.
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Old January 16, 2009, 02:11 AM   #12
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GLPStandard,

Looks like you won't be going with that in a couple of weeks because your deal seems to be GONE! Oops!

brad
Yeah I just saw that. Im pretty happy let me tell you
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Old January 16, 2009, 02:29 AM   #13
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Anyone else but me worried about shooting a bunch of STEEL cases in their AR's?
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Old January 16, 2009, 02:52 AM   #14
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I am not trying to be disrespectful,just talking straight.
If a guy wants to have fun blasting on a budget, a 10 rd SKS is hard to beat.
Feed it steel,brass,norinco,baurnal,wolf...it won't care and it is cheap ammo.

You have a nice AR. Instead of burning the barrel up,aim and squeeze each shot for accuracy,like it is a bolt gun that strokes itself.Make hits,not dust and noise.Think precision.Think of your ammo as part of that precision,not bangfodder.

Graf's might still have some Lake city primed brass semi-reasonable.There are folks who sell processed once fired brass.That is probably cheapest.

I would size it again as You don't know how worn their dies are.

Did you say you have 1-9 twist?.There are 62 gr boat tail fmj's Hornady makes a good one.I use 69 grain Sierra MatchKings or Nosler Comps.
There are other powders,but Varget works for me.

Our government thinking "Budget Minded" about ammo had a lot to do with the AR/M-16 troubles.

Learning to make good ammo is the best way to make your AR work.
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Old January 16, 2009, 03:17 AM   #15
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CLearning to make good ammo is the best way to make your AR work.

I've heard that from several extremely reputable sources now a couple of which have numerous national titles under their belt from Camp Perry.

From just about every authority in the AR-15 arena you will here that although they are superior rifles in their own arena they can be finicky about what particular ammunition you feed them.

That's not saying your particular AR won't shoot well on inexpensive ammo. It might and it might not. You'll simply have to see what works well in your application and what doesn't. For instance my cousin has a BushMaster that does pretty well with Winchester White box FMJ 55 gr while my Wilson Combat UT-15 doesn't like that ammo so well for reasons that only somebody with far more expertise than myself could only tell you and The wilson cost twice what the bushmaster does. Will the Bushmaster out shoot the Wilson? Maybe if you're feeding them both Winchester whitebox but feed them each their preferred ammo and the Wilson will most likely out shoot the Bushmaster. At least I would hope it would...lol

The point is that just like any other weapon they'll function better with certain ammo on board. The trick is finding what the weapon performs best with. Like mentioned before. with a 1:9 twist you'll want to stay away from the heavier bullets. 52g-55g would be a good place to start. Don't go any higher than 68g according to the authorities higher grain bullets require 1:8 or greater.

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Old January 17, 2009, 12:18 AM   #16
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I know I will killed here but, I shoot the Wolf 55 gr in my Rem R15. Prob 1500+ rounds and have never had a problem. I think if you keep your gun clean and don't leave any rounds in the chamber for an extended time, you should be fine.
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Old January 18, 2009, 01:45 AM   #17
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Do not buy reloads/remanufactured ammo and I would suggest that you do not use WOlf ammo in your AR.

Cheap ammo that I have been happy with:
Sellier & Bellot

Other ammo I like
Federal AE
Winchester 3131
IMI

Ammo I had problems with in my AR
Wolf
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Old January 21, 2009, 09:41 AM   #18
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Those federal 223s in the value pack at walmart seem pretty decent.
I just picked up 200rnds over the last couple days.
They are $39/100, but reloadable.
May want to check into them.
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Old January 21, 2009, 10:26 AM   #19
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buy whatever you can get for practice. remember hitting the target repeatedly is easy. the real training comes in if you do have to clear a malf and then get your wits back together and hit the target.as for me i trust wolf.... all the other nice stuff is great if you can get it, but in todays world if you can get it and it shoots reliably then use it. i dont know of anyone who wants to get shot with any bullet, even a 223 made by wolf or brown bear. there seems to always be alot of bias toward steel case or steel jacketed stuff. i shot a deer with 203gr bimetal sp in 7.62x54r out of an m44 carbine. the bullet(steel jacketed) literally detonated inside the deer and left a clean through and through hole that was 3x3in. an arm would go throught the hole.so much for non expanding steel jacketed sp ammo. look the long and short is that some guns do fine with it and some dont. get some of each and try it. dont get pushed around by the "experienced poster". been there done that, learn by doing. learn something with each trigger pull good or bad. wolf is not going to ruin your gun. i have read more bad stories about brass ammo blowing up ars than wolf. keep your ar clean and you wont have problems. "Bring the Rain" Molon Labe!

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Old January 21, 2009, 10:57 AM   #20
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Ratmachine said

"I know I will killed here but, I shoot the Wolf 55 gr in my Rem R15. Prob 1500+ rounds and have never had a problem. I think if you keep your gun clean and don't leave any rounds in the chamber for an extended time, you should be fine."

Nothing wrong with wolf. Over time it will take a toll on your extractor. Reason so many people do not like it is when you shoot steel cases they will not expand like brass. Becasue of this you get blow by which builds up, why people say it is "dirty" ammo. When you get this build up and run a brass round in it the brass will expand and get stuck. That is when people panic and think something bad wrong happened. Like many say and you will hear this time and time again...keep the gun clean. Simple as that. I have Wolf stocked up for a rainy day and do not shoot it on a regular basis. I have a 1/7 twist rate on a Colt match barrel. My gun likes longer bullet for stability. If I want to shoot up the country side I install by M-261 and run 500 rounds of bulk 22 through it for fun. When finished I run a couple of FMJ's down the tude to "clean" it out.
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Old January 24, 2009, 02:12 PM   #21
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.223 vs. 5.56 ??

Anyone experience any issue running .223 in a chamber marked for 5.56?

From what I have read - .223 in a 5.56 is not a problem - going the other direction could be.

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Old January 27, 2009, 07:16 AM   #22
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I have been using pmc 55 gr from sportsman guide it's about 89.00 for 200 rounds or the Armory has it a little cheaper right now. hope I was A little helpful.
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Old January 27, 2009, 10:06 AM   #23
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Anyone experience any issue running .223 in a chamber marked for 5.56?

From what I have read - .223 in a 5.56 is not a problem - going the other direction could be.
Been doing it for over 30 years with no problems. Both ways.

In fact I carried a Model 700 V in 223 as a LE counter sniper. I used M195 55 grn ball in it. That was in 1978, I still have that rilfe it still shoots great with either the 223 or 5.56. Shot a lot of com. 223 in M16s chamberd for the 5.56 in compitition, again with no problems.

I hear a lot about the so called problems but no one has ever showed me a case where a problem occured. And I've been looking a long time.

If you check with Brownells you'll find the match chamber reamers for either are the same side.

So dont worry about it.
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Old January 27, 2009, 11:58 PM   #24
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wolf and extractors

look carefully at the rim edge on wolf or any other steel cased ammo. You will notice that the outer edge is beveled while brass cases generally are not. There was one german brand that I had that was but the brass was so soft that the extractor always ripped the rims right off. The brass also seemed to swell an awful lot. Look I know we all have our pet ammo, but I have had nothing but good performance out of wolf ammo. In the end it comes down to trust. I would prefer to rely on win q3131 55fmj w/ cannelure because the terminal performance is well known but anything striking a target in the operational range of the 556 is going to have a bad day. If you doubt that a center mass shot will do the job then learn to hit something more vital. Striking the pelvis or clavicle will stop just about any thing. The only rifle that gives any issue with wolf is my fn fs2000. but even withthat i just adjust the gas to low powered ammo and keep on trucking. also the steel in the bullet is mild steel. I dont know the exact brinell hardness but some references put it very similar to brass and bullet copper.just my bit. cw
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Old January 29, 2009, 03:45 PM   #25
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Why not Wolf?

The complaints that I hear about the wolf ammo is that it's not good for the barrel of the gun over the long haul. If you don't mind replacing your barrel sooner than later then go ahead and use it. It will shorten the life of the barrel. Again... that is just what I'm told. I can not provide you with personal testimony since I've chosen not to shoot any of the wolf ammo in my rather expensive AR-15.

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