The Firing Line Forums how accurate is using reduced targets?
 Forum Rules Firearms Safety Firearms Photos Links Library Lost Password Email Changes
 Register FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

 January 8, 2009, 04:56 PM #1 SPUSCG Senior Member   Join Date: January 25, 2008 Posts: 3,004 how accurate is using reduced targets? the high power range is covered with snow and cant really use it right now. wondering how accurately using a 1/2 size target at 100 yards simulates 200, ect. __________________ Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.
 January 8, 2009, 05:10 PM #2 Hondo11 Senior Member   Join Date: September 6, 2008 Posts: 120 For a simple explanation... You can't completely simulate the difference that way, but it's good enough for practice and certainly better than nothing. It really depends on what type of shooting you're doing...but if you were really into precision shooting, I guess you wouldn't be asking. The best way to think about it is this: The target may look smaller at distance, but it's not actually smaller. And to make it translate completely, you'd have to be able to hold your particular MOA out to an infinite distance...and there are many factors which make that not likely.
 January 8, 2009, 05:28 PM #3 Casimer Senior Member   Join Date: April 23, 2007 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,913 1/2 is about right. The black on the NRA SR is 13" at 200yds and 6 3/8" on the SR1, which is the SR reduced for 100yds. Here's a spreadsheet for determining the dimensions of reduced targets - http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/targets/reducing.xls The actual formula incorporates the bullet diameter.
 January 8, 2009, 05:30 PM #4 onthejon55 Junior member   Join Date: October 23, 2008 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 411 why not just work on your 100 yard group and then see if you have improved on the 200 later
 January 8, 2009, 05:53 PM #5 SPUSCG Senior Member   Join Date: January 25, 2008 Posts: 3,004 100 yards is nice with the 336, i want to see how i do at 200, and i dont feel like trudging through snow and slipping on ice to see the target __________________ Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.
 January 8, 2009, 06:01 PM #6 Slopemeno Senior Member   Join Date: January 19, 2007 Posts: 2,491 I played with this idea in my action shooting league, and did a 3" x 5" card "El Presidente" stage. Man, THAT was hard at speed regardless of the short distance.
 January 8, 2009, 06:44 PM #7 hogdogs Staff In Memoriam   Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069 No the half size does not simulate double distance when using a .30-30 at all. It is 'tween 100 and 200 where bullet drop compensation is heavily needed. so "to see how I do at 200" doesn't work. All you are doing is seeing if you are capable of hitting a smaller target at 100 yards. Which in itself is a commendable aspiration we all should work on... Brent
 January 8, 2009, 06:52 PM #8 Shane Tuttle Staff   Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 8,779 Hogdogs has it right regarding accuracy with your gun. Distance in general will never have a substitute. However, if you're talking about honing YOUR skills, then I think it's not only acceptable, it's a great idea. If you ever attend Appleseed, they start out simulating targets at (500yds?) using a target at approx. (83?) yards. The target is the size of a postage stamp...yes, a postage stamp. My numbers are probably off, but you get the idea. My take is by all means, practice safely using smaller targets as you're wanting to do... __________________ If it were up to me, the word "got" would be deleted from the English language. Posting and YOU: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting
 January 8, 2009, 07:20 PM #9 kraigwy Senior Member   Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 10,219 100 yeard reduced targets are great. You can do your rapid fire strings and work on your offhand. You dont get the wind but dont let anyone tell you you dont get any benifits from reduced target shooting. When my rapid fire scores start to slide, I dig out the reduced targets and run through several strings. The 600 yard Prone Slow fire reduced to 100 yards is great too. I want to see all who say you cant get any benifit from reduced targets, clean some 600 yard reduced targets from a prone unsupported position. When you can do that constently, and the same for the SF Offhand, then come and tell me reduce targets offer no benifits. Yes you dont get the value of dealing with wind and mirage you would get at 600 yards. But you arnt gonna get any wind and mirage experience sitting by the fire, when the range is snowed in, either. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Oct '78 Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071
 January 8, 2009, 07:31 PM #10 hogdogs Staff In Memoriam   Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069 Kraig, No one has said he won't see benefits... Just not an actual simulation of 200 yards by shooting half size at 100... I used to shoot 20 gauge hulls at 100 with my .22lr to tighten my 75 yard hunting to the point that head shooting squirrels was too easy unless they running. But to practice for 200 yard shots with a levergun by shooting a half size target does little. The BDC is many inches if not a foot or more at 200 with a .30-30 flat nose. So to practice 200 you need to learn barrel rise as well as target acquisition... But hey I used to love to try to put a .22lr thru the spent primer on the bottom of hulls at 100 with a .22 and it was not only fun but to hit my mark I really had to snooker down on my breathing and grip... I missed 75% or so but these were off hand shots with iron sights on both a marlin 60 and a S&W .22 pistol... man I miss my eagle eye vision back then as a 2o sumthin young guy! Brent
 January 8, 2009, 09:34 PM #11 Slopemeno Senior Member   Join Date: January 19, 2007 Posts: 2,491 Have you ever heard of Micro-sniping? You shoot at empty 9mm cases with a match air rifle at 40 yards, which is supposed to be the same size ratio as a human torso at 1000 yards.
 January 8, 2009, 11:07 PM #12 SPUSCG Senior Member   Join Date: January 25, 2008 Posts: 3,004 got plenty of used 12 guage hulls __________________ Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.
 January 12, 2009, 03:09 AM #13 funfaler Member   Join Date: December 3, 2006 Posts: 80 The idea of using reduced size targets to "simulate" ranges is a long proven technique. However, the idea is to this technique to improve shooter's mechanics, not to improve the shooter's skill in come-ups, wind estimation/compensation. If a shooter does not have proper mechanics, they will just be frustrated at actual distance shooting. If they have the proper mechanics, they will be able to much more easily learn and apply the skills needed at actual distance. Point being, if you can not do it at reduced sized targets at reduced ranges, you can not do it at actual distance.
 January 12, 2009, 03:11 AM #14 Smallgame2100 Junior member   Join Date: January 8, 2009 Location: New York Posts: 164 Like some others said, work on 100 yards. Get that down good and work your way up.

 Posting Rules You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules
 Forum Jump User Control Panel Private Messages Subscriptions Who's Online Search Forums Forums Home Hogan's Alley     Tactics and Training     Handguns: The Semi-automatic Forum     Handguns: The Revolver Forum     Handguns: General Handgun Forum The Hide     The Art of the Rifle: Bolt, Lever, and Pump Action     The Art of the Rifle: Semi-automatics     The Art of the Rifle: General     The Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum     NFA Guns and Gear     The Hunt The North Corral     Lock and Load: Live Fire Exercises     Competition Shooting     Curios and Relics     Black Powder and Cowboy Action Shooting The Skunkworks     Gear and Accessories     The Smithy     Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting         Bullet Casting     The Harley Nolden Memorial Institute for Firearms Research The Conference Center     General Discussion Forum         TFL Photo Contest     Law and Civil Rights         Legal and Political     S.W.A.T. Magazine The Firing Line Gun Show     S.W.A.T. Exchange     Retail Deals and Feedback Forum Support     Site Questions and Tech Support (NO FIREARMS QUESTIONS)     Software and Function Testing

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:04 AM.

 -- vBulletin 3 ---- vBulletin 3 - variable fonts ---- Low profile (unsupported) Forum Home Page - Archive - Top