Saiga 12 NFA soon?

Trapp · December 31, 2008, 09:43 PM

Seen the 20rd drum? Any guesses on when it be the way of the streetsweeper?

Be a kick in the pants to own, but I couldn't see paying 300 for a mag...

Skans · January 5, 2009, 06:21 PM

Why not? You'd have to pay over $300 to get the USAS-12 20 round mag. If you want a 20 round 12 gauge shotgun without having to pay the tax, buy the Saiga now. You will probably have to register it in the future, though.

Csspecs · January 5, 2009, 08:52 PM

I doubt it, it's not the same as the Street Sweeper... The Saiga 12 is only imported as a sporting shotgun, more likely they will go after drum magazines.

Even still I don't see how the Saiga-12 is all that big a deal, it's just a shotgun... I have one that has been converted to pistol grip, I use it for small game hunting and find that it's a little better than a normal shotgun but not that totally awesome.

Beretta686 · January 5, 2009, 09:19 PM

I've got one that's already on a Form 1 as an SBS, if they were to make it a DD would I have to re-register it?
Alternatively, if you register it as a DD, does that mean you can cut the barrel down to under 18 inches?

GE-Minigun · January 6, 2009, 09:41 AM

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I've got one that's already on a Form 1 as an SBS, if they were to make it a DD would I have to re-register it?
Alternatively, if you register it as a DD, does that mean you can cut the barrel down to under 18 inches?

I would think you would have to re-register it...the DD trumps the SBS.

Yes you can cut the barrel.

Skans · January 6, 2009, 03:10 PM

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I doubt it, it's not the same as the Street Sweeper...

Well, I guess you are right. The Saiga is an AK based gas opperated shotgun that can hold a 20 round drum. The USAS-12 is the AR based gas opperated shotgun that can hold a 20 round drum. I'm sure that the Obama's Antis will understand the difference.

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Even still I don't see how the Saiga-12 is all that big a deal, it's just a shotgun...

I know. That's what I told BATF when they sent me that notice in the mail that it needed to be registered on a Form 1 or I could go to prison for 10 years. They just didn't see it my way.

jmorris · January 6, 2009, 11:20 PM

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I know. That's what I told BATF when they sent me that notice in the mail that it needed to be registered on a Form 1 or I could go to prison for 10 years. They just didn't see it my way.

hmmm...they forgot to send me that letter for mine. If you wouldn't mind I'd like to see a copy of it.

PTK · January 7, 2009, 01:17 AM

He was speaking hypothetically.

Webleymkv · January 7, 2009, 01:30 AM

I think I remember seeing a copy of a letter someone wrote to the ATF about this not long ago. If memory serves, the ATF said that the Saige wouldn't be classified as a DD so long as it was still imported in a sporting configuration and that the issue with the streetsweeper and like were that they were never offered in a sporting configuration by the original manufacturer. Basically, a weapon's status won't change based on aftermarket accessories. I could see them going after the drums though. On a side note, I don't believe I'd really want a drum anyway. Besides their ridiculous cost, they seem like they'd make the gun awfully heavy.

Trapp · January 7, 2009, 10:13 AM

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Besides their ridiculous cost, they seem like they'd make the gun awfully heavy.

I am sure they would. Kinda like the 100drum on the semi auto Tommy gun. All in all useless, but loads of fun if you are into that!

Skans · January 8, 2009, 11:13 AM

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hmmm...they forgot to send me that letter for mine. If you wouldn't mind I'd like to see a copy of it.

I no longer have that letter - I did get one sometime in the early or mid '90's. I don't know how it got to me, but I got it.

jmorris · January 8, 2009, 11:27 AM

Yet another example that crack doesn't smoke itself.

Skans · January 8, 2009, 06:17 PM

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Yet another example that crack doesn't smoke itself.

Look, bub, I got something in the mail telling me that I had a limited time to register the gun, or it would become illegal. The letter was real. I got it. No, I didn't keep the note I got in the mail over 15 years ago. I did end up retistering the USAS-12 on a Form 1.

jmorris · January 8, 2009, 07:23 PM

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Even still I don't see how the Saiga-12 is all that big a deal, it's just a shotgun...

I know. That's what I told BATF when they sent me that notice in the mail that it needed to be registered on a Form 1 or I could go to prison for 10 years. They just didn't see it my way.

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I did end up retistering the USAS-12 on a Form 1.

Ok, I thougt we were talking about the Saiga from your 1-6-09 post.

Skans · January 9, 2009, 12:08 PM

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Ok, I thougt we were talking about the Saiga from your 1-6-09 post.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. My point was that the Saiga is really just the AK version of a hi-cap shotgun while the USAS-12 is the AR15 version. They both basically do the same thing and have the same capacity. One needs to be registered or is contraban, while the other isn't.........yet.

Csspecs · January 14, 2009, 04:32 PM

The USAS NEVER had a sporting exemption from DD, the saiga does.

The USAS is not, never was and never will be a sporting shotgun. I use the saiga-12 for hunting as do many many people.. I don't own the drum and likely never will, its just not something I see as useful.. The 10 round sticks I can see.

Jim6298 · January 14, 2009, 06:56 PM

I have seen them and looked them over i did not see any real quality in them. they looked kind of junky.

December 31, 2008, 09:43 PM	#1
Trapp Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: KTN Posts: 1,221	Saiga 12 NFA soon? Seen the 20rd drum? Any guesses on when it be the way of the streetsweeper? Be a kick in the pants to own, but I couldn't see paying 300 for a mag... __________________ HDR Ban!? It's a shame all of my guns sank with my boat last week... Time to catch up.....like mayonnaise

January 5, 2009, 09:19 PM	#4
Beretta686 Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 427	Hmmmm... I've got one that's already on a Form 1 as an SBS, if they were to make it a DD would I have to re-register it? Alternatively, if you register it as a DD, does that mean you can cut the barrel down to under 18 inches? __________________ "Our contract called for 16 cases of rifles and ammunition for $10,000 dollars, not a machine gun...........That is our present to the General"-Pike Bishop

January 7, 2009, 01:30 AM	#9
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,498	I think I remember seeing a copy of a letter someone wrote to the ATF about this not long ago. If memory serves, the ATF said that the Saige wouldn't be classified as a DD so long as it was still imported in a sporting configuration and that the issue with the streetsweeper and like were that they were never offered in a sporting configuration by the original manufacturer. Basically, a weapon's status won't change based on aftermarket accessories. I could see them going after the drums though. On a side note, I don't believe I'd really want a drum anyway. Besides their ridiculous cost, they seem like they'd make the gun awfully heavy. __________________ Smith, and Wesson, and Me. -H. Callahan Well waddaya know, one buwwet weft! -E. Fudd All bad precedents begin as justifiable measures. -J. Caesar

January 14, 2009, 06:56 PM	#17
Jim6298 Junior member Join Date: August 23, 2007 Location: East subs of Cleveland ohio Posts: 8	saiga-12 I have seen them and looked them over i did not see any real quality in them. they looked kind of junky.

January 5, 2009, 06:21 PM	#2
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 6,362	Why not? You'd have to pay over $300 to get the USAS-12 20 round mag. If you want a 20 round 12 gauge shotgun without having to pay the tax, buy the Saiga now. You will probably have to register it in the future, though.

January 5, 2009, 08:52 PM	#3
Csspecs Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2005 Posts: 1,108	I doubt it, it's not the same as the Street Sweeper... The Saiga 12 is only imported as a sporting shotgun, more likely they will go after drum magazines. Even still I don't see how the Saiga-12 is all that big a deal, it's just a shotgun... I have one that has been converted to pistol grip, I use it for small game hunting and find that it's a little better than a normal shotgun but not that totally awesome.

January 7, 2009, 01:17 AM	#8
PTK Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 441	He was speaking hypothetically.

January 8, 2009, 11:27 AM	#12
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 1,355	Yet another example that crack doesn't smoke itself.

January 14, 2009, 04:32 PM	#16
Csspecs Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2005 Posts: 1,108	The USAS NEVER had a sporting exemption from DD, the saiga does. The USAS is not, never was and never will be a sporting shotgun. I use the saiga-12 for hunting as do many many people.. I don't own the drum and likely never will, its just not something I see as useful.. The 10 round sticks I can see.