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Old December 27, 2008, 11:24 AM   #26
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Swarovski's are like the Land Rovers of scopes= Over priced pieces of junk
Hyperbole at its most extreme. Value is a subjective thing, and Swarovski rifle scopes certainly are expensive, but to suggest that they are "junk" is ridiculous. You may not like them or like the company, but they are far from junk.
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Old December 27, 2008, 11:45 AM   #27
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I am a Zeiss fan but have a Bushnell 6500 as well. Im not a Luepold fan. I cant seem to find the target quick with them. The Zeiss Conquest Rapid Z 800 is a darn nice scope perfect for a 300 win mag.
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Old December 27, 2008, 11:52 AM   #28
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Not to add to the post, but you will want to do it outside in less than ideal lighting. Both will look great inside under the flourescents.
Bingo! This member knows what he is talking about. Inside a store, you usually have great lighting. If they will allow you to, take them outside so you can get a true picture of what you will be looking at. I did this with the last pair of binoculars that I bought.
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Old December 27, 2008, 12:37 PM   #29
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Price

Bushnell 6500 is 1/2 the price of the Zeiss?? Where are you shopping at. I have seen the Zeiss for around $800. Where can you buy the 6500 Bushnell for $400??

Although I do agree about one thing. The Bushnell will be worth about 1/2 or even less after you buy it and want to resell it.

Also there is no question that the Swarovski would also be a great choice. However Swaro. does not make a scope that compares in features and price. I have an A-Line 3-10 that is a fantastic scope for deer hunting. And I do believe it is a better scope than the Leupold or Zeiss Conquest, but it is more expensive. And to get the Swaro in a 6X18 then the Swaro. is a lot more money, but the Swaro. is worth the extra money---IMO. Tom.
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Old December 27, 2008, 12:44 PM   #30
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I have a Leupold 3.5X10 and a Swarovski 3X10 that I've hauled all over North America for years. I have no complaints with either. Never had a Zeiss, but I'm sure they are excellent also.
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:38 AM   #31
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So,
went down to Bass pro tonight... doing some other shopping. I looked through the leupold and the zeiss scopes... and I am sorry, but there was no comparisson. The ZEISS was the winner hands down.. IMO


The glass was much more clear.. the man was nice enough to let me take it outside. and on the same power... 6.5X... I could pick up in the zeiss much faster than the leupold. With that in mind I am getting the Zeiss conquest 6.5X20X50.
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:50 AM   #32
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con grats on your purchase you made the right choice in Zeiss.
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:56 AM   #33
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Billy,

What model leupold did you compare to the zeiss??
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Old December 29, 2008, 10:34 AM   #34
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billythekid007,

I have been using riflescopes for a very long time and I had ten Leupolds in my battery along with older Lymans, Redfield, Hensoldt etc. When the Zeiss Conquests came out I tried a 3-9 and found it superior in use to any Leupold.

Currently I have seven Conquests.

I buy them from Cameraland new in the box labeled as 'Demos'. Call Cameraland and ask them what they have for you in the scope you want from the 'Demo' supply.

http://www.cameralandny.com/demos-zeiss.html
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Old December 29, 2008, 11:58 AM   #35
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The two that i were comparing were a 6.5x20x50 (both the same powers) the leupold lrt and the conquest.

Thank you for the camera land info.. ill check it out....
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:07 PM   #36
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wow.. your rightthe price's on the camer land site.. are great!

THANK YOU
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:22 PM   #37
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+1 on the conquest 6.5 x 20 x 50. I got an excellent buy on one a few years ago and love it. Sits on my 22-250. One thing I like about the Sworo is the TDS reticle. My opinion. I don't own any Leupolds anymore mainly because their reticles don't tap my toes. Next scope is the Schmidt and Bender 4-16 PM for Mauser 6.5 x 284, Krieger barrel #5 contour ( same contour as 7mm STW) build. Not long for the bucks.. last build was 7mm STW Rem 700 action, Rock Creek barrel, and went with Shepard....excellent scope, filled my tags this year.. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for. I don't skimp on glass for custom builds or my true shooters. Again, just me.
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:23 PM   #38
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I have not used a Leupold on anything that I own, but I do have a Zeiss Conquest on my .300WM and it has never let me down. The ability to pick up objects in low light is not comparable to any other scope I own. Good luck with your new Zeiss.

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Old December 29, 2008, 12:38 PM   #39
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You might want to check out SWFA as well. They have great prices and great service.
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:46 PM   #40
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Camera Land

+1 on the Camera Land fellow. He is a good guy. His name is Doug. And he has a great web site. I have bought from him before. Also check out E-Bay. I just bought a set of Zeiss binoculars there for $150 less than I could find them anywhere, and I shopped for a couple of days. Tom.
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Old December 29, 2008, 12:51 PM   #41
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I've purchased from Doug at Camera Land before. I can't say enough good things about his outfit. He's a class act (and a serious fisherman).
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Old December 29, 2008, 11:02 PM   #42
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Go with the Zeiss vs. Leupold

Talking about holding a zero, I have a 3x9x36 Diavari Zeiss scope (German) and I pound the heck out of it shooting .12 GA slugs and it keeps perfect zero. Not many rounds recoil much more than a 1.4. oz slug of lead from a pump shotgun, (Rem. 870). The plus factor is that the sight picture is always so clear and especially at low light times. Zeiss rules over Leupold in this case.
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Old December 30, 2008, 07:58 AM   #43
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Swarovski is a "piece of junk"??

Come now Bojack, the Swarovski scope is an excellent scope in all respects. Yes, they are pricey as compared to a lot of other very good glass out there at less cost, but to say they are junk is ridiculous...
I have three Swarovski scopes (two older ones and one new one) and they are superb at low light hunting situations. Rugged all around and dependable scopes made in Austria. Everyone knows that German/Austrian glass is the best you can buy when its all said and done. Schmidt & Bender, etc.
If you have ever really owned one, you would know what I am talking about. Will a Tasco work okay on your rifle, (of course it will). But when you compare it to a Swarovski, there is no comparison in quality and performance.
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