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Old December 15, 2008, 12:53 PM   #1
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New pistol is shooting low

I am new to this forum but need your help if possible. I recently purchased a new Taurus Millennium Pro PT111 9mm. The gun seems to be shooting low. It has the heinie sights which could be part of the problem. The owners manual says to line up the top of the front sight with the top of the rear sight. However, when doing this the gun seems to shoot low. At 15 feet, shooting at a 10 inch paper plate and aiming at the middle of the plate the shots are hitting 3 to 4 inches low and slightly to the left. At 25 feet I am completely missing the target, again the shots are hitting below the target. Any help that you could give me in correcting this problem would be appreciated. I love the gun, it is titanium and only weights 16 oz. I love everything about it other than what I mentioned aboved. Your help is appreciated.

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Old December 15, 2008, 12:59 PM   #2
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In most cases a gun shooting low & left is due to the shooters trigger control. Since it is a new gun to you I would say that, that is a possibility. Try shooting it off of a rest or have other people shoot it to see if it patterns the same way.

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Old December 15, 2008, 01:03 PM   #3
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Here's a handy thing to have...(This one's for righties)


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Old December 15, 2008, 01:13 PM   #4
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In most cases a gun shooting low & left is due to the shooters trigger control.
Agreed.

Shoot from a seated position, with the gun on a rest.
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Old December 15, 2008, 02:29 PM   #5
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Peetzakilla--Couldn't get your picture to open.

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Old December 15, 2008, 02:31 PM   #6
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Old December 15, 2008, 02:39 PM   #7
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You beat me to it Peetzakilla... LOL.. This chart has helped me quite a bit in the past...
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Old December 15, 2008, 02:45 PM   #8
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At combat distances on modern pistols, you cover the target with your front sight.

At 25 yards or greater, you place the front sight just under the target. (known as pumpkin on a stick)


If you're doing pumpkin on a stick at 7 yards, then you'll be shooting too low. But since you're also pulling to the left, this is most likely about trigger control.
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Old December 15, 2008, 03:21 PM   #9
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Bandit has it right. I had a new semiauto that I thought was shooting way low. I switched from "pumpkin on a stick" to "combat" along with some dry fire and the shooting low ended.
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Old December 15, 2008, 06:49 PM   #10
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Just a note - maybe necessary, maybe not - that Correction target is from the AMU and is meant for one-handed shooting, as in Bullseye competition. It may well work for two-handed combat shooting also.
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Old December 15, 2008, 07:02 PM   #11
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I switched from "pumpkin on a stick" to "combat" along with some dry fire and the shooting low ended.
I'm not questioning it necessarily but it seems to me like that is more "aiming high" than "not shooting low anymore."
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Old December 15, 2008, 07:07 PM   #12
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A lot of good suggestions, but I'm not sure if you can adjust combat sights up and down, can you? You probably can get a gunsmith to bore sight it using a site moving tool and a laser bore sighter, but not sure about the up and down thing.

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Old December 16, 2008, 01:24 AM   #13
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I'll clarify with images.

This topic oddly enough came up at another forum today, and I posted this:

Today's modern pistols are set so that if you are shooting at combat distances, you cover the intended target with your front sight.

Here is an example:




At long range (say 25 yards and more) you then place the front sight just below the target (pumpkin on a stick as we used to call it). Here is an example:

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Old December 16, 2008, 02:58 AM   #14
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Have somebody else shoot it. It's more than likely you trigger pulling it down.
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Old December 19, 2008, 11:55 AM   #15
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Thanks for everyones suggestions. I will take it out again this weekend and shoot it some more using the different suggestions and see what happens.

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