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Old August 5, 1999, 12:51 AM   #1
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I hope that I can approach this topic with tact and diplomacy. If not, then a full frontal assault may have to do!

I have read a lot on this board and overall the average post is witty, well thought-out, and intelligent.

There are times, though, when I find myself distracted from the message of the post by the altered names that we give our favorite protagonists.

For example: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Grubmint
Governmink
Congress critter
Klinton
Federales
Dumbcrats
Republijerks
Etc.[/quote]

I have been guilty of this at times, as well.

However, in my quest for improvement I have discovered that such things come across as elementary school playground taunts.

I believe that we can show our disgust and outrage in less juvenile ways than this, and at the same time make our communications clearer and less distracting from the message we wish to relay.

(Disclaimer: The views expressed here are solely the observed opinion of the poster, and should have no effect on the reader except as he/she allows it.)



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Old August 5, 1999, 12:57 AM   #2
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I agree.
(short, clear, and succinct. Strunk & White would be proud! :-) )
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Old August 5, 1999, 12:59 AM   #3
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Totally agree.
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Old August 5, 1999, 04:10 AM   #4
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Well put, and I agree, but please don't call me on it when/if I finally get my money in to the CMT and rave about buying my Garrand from the "Guvment".

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Old August 5, 1999, 04:57 AM   #5
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Well, maybe John, but I thought "Republocrats" would be good shorthand for "The present-day monolithic Republican and Democrat oligarchy which is leading America down the slippery slope to Socialism".

(Oy! I'll catch it for THIS one...)
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Old August 5, 1999, 05:02 AM   #6
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Now, some of those names are juvenile and others, I believe, fall within the realm of legitimate criticism. "Republijerk" is not even clever, let alone insightful in any way. "Congress critter," on the other hand, paints a picture of tiny, furtive mammals, busily burrowing away at an unknown task and squinting at the seldom-seen sun.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think that's somewhat accurate.
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Old August 5, 1999, 05:55 AM   #7
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I find it significant that the first 2 responders were relative newcomers to TFL. John, you have a good point. A public forum is not a private conversation, and a post should not be grafitti.




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Old August 5, 1999, 09:26 AM   #8
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I agree also. In addition, I've been appalled and embarrassed by the spelling and gramatical errors in some posts. I am not being facetious. I recognize that we all make typographical errors occasionally, but I think that it paints a negative picture of gun enthusiasts in the minds of visitors to TFL when they read "there" instead of "their", etc. I hope this observation will be taken in the constructive manner in which it is offerred.
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Old August 5, 1999, 09:57 AM   #9
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Grammatical errors are seen everywhere, even in books if you read close enough. We cannot help it that we don't have editors! I write my responses in Win-word and then cut and paste them on the forum. It has been the best editor that I've found.

Just thought I would add that for those who were unaware of this feature.
I cannot live without my spell check. I'm afraid though that, Govermink will be in underlined in red, meaning that it's not in the dictionary of Win-word. LOL


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Old August 5, 1999, 10:46 AM   #10
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Guilty as charged. But when you lose your sense of humor, you lose.
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Old August 5, 1999, 10:56 AM   #11
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"...damn all those who dare deviate! Bear no mind to those who's insolence attempts to steer us from normalcy! Those who are loose of spirit and weak of mind shall not deter us from Utopia!"--
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Old August 5, 1999, 10:59 AM   #12
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Is socialist scum still acceptable?

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Old August 5, 1999, 11:13 AM   #13
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I agree that name-calling is juvenile, and that an abundance of grammatical errors, at best, indicate laziness. However, some terms do in fact have their place, as they give a more accurate description of something than any other word or phrase does. Terms like Republocrats, and congress critter, I like.


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Old August 5, 1999, 11:29 AM   #14
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Once again I agree LoneStar. Words, opinions and name calling are ok. It's the context of how those words are used that is of importance.
You can spot the "humorous" writer and the …ahem… "not so humorous" writer instantly.
Just a readers point of view,
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Old August 5, 1999, 11:48 AM   #15
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Right on Lonestar!

Being a writer by profession, I feel the same. Besides, words like sheeple are often fun to use when venting about gun control and such. They certainly do take away from one's credibility when one is trying to be serious.

As with weapons...choose your words carefully.

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Old August 5, 1999, 12:02 PM   #16
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Anthony, could you please not call them weapons? They're inanimate firearms.


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Old August 5, 1999, 04:57 PM   #17
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I suppose the purpose of this thread was to bring to the attention of those that post here that the adulteration of names can serve two purposes.

The first, such as, Republocrat, First Felon, and Congress Critter, describe suscinctly (sp?) what we are trying to say.

The second, an adulteration that detracts from, instead of adds to the message being conveyed. These come across as the frustrated taunting I heard as a child in the school yards.

I have to ask myself if the words I am using will enhance my message or degrade it.

HCI, PAX, the government and the media, have chosen words that are recognized by the majority to serve their purposes. We need to do the same.

I'm not the "Thought Police" and I'm certainly NOT going to call anyone on it! I just wanted to post this as a "heads up!"

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Old August 5, 1999, 08:50 PM   #18
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GUILTY AS CHARGED! I've used these names and many more. Sometimes to express humor and sometimes to show displeasure with certian groups/people/person. Some times its an outright insult! So what? I write the way I feel, it's just me. And yes, I make spelling and grammer mistakes along with plain old typos. Again, that's just me.
No big deal. We got bigger fish to fry.

Lighten up, will ya?
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Old August 5, 1999, 10:49 PM   #19
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whigs
tories

been happening for awhile...

part of it is incrowd lingo
a way for a group to bond against an enemy
we don't show respect for those we hold in contempt

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Old August 6, 1999, 07:36 AM   #20
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I just do it to make less hits on the NSA packet catcher.

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Old August 6, 1999, 09:30 AM   #21
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You may be right, perhaps the 1800 members who only come to read need to "lighten up" and join the "in crowd" of the 150 members who actually post.

EWOK!! Cute smiley faces.
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Old August 6, 1999, 09:41 AM   #22
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I totally disagree with the premise of this thread. This sight is not about punctuation or gaining the approval of the overly educated, anti gun ,ruling class. It is about freedom of expression and is a meeting ground for people who feel strongly about their freedoms. Personally, I am more interested in sharing ideas and experiences with fellow shooters and could care less about HOW they express themselves. This is not a college writing course, nor are these formal letters. When I visit this sight, I typically have about 20 minutes to do so. I would hope that my participation would be more important then misspellings, mistypings?sp, or improper word usage. We need to encourage participation not inhibit it.
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Old August 6, 1999, 10:18 AM   #23
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I have to agree with Grayfox. We do have bigger fish to fry. Maybe if we start referring to them by their politically correct names, they might just leave us gun owners alone? NAH!!!
One of the things I have noticed since I have been here is that there seems to be a great deal of emphasis put on formality and political correctness. Personally, that's just not me. If I have an opinion, I generally let it be known and don't take the time to sit down and rewrite it as not to offend any of our elected officials.
This one of the premiere gun-related sights on the web. We are many different people with many different opinions, attitudes, and dispositions. I don't view these names as juvenile, but as trying to use humor as a tool to keep from sinking into hopelessness at our situation as gun owners. my .02
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Old August 6, 1999, 10:23 AM   #24
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You didn't know? TFL is now Creative Writing 101.

I think John had a legitimate reason for posting this thread. I could be wrong, but I don't think he is worried about grammar as much as some of the posts that are made by "some" members. I'm sorry that Atticus only has twenty minutes to visit TFL. Twenty minutes is surely not a long enough time to read all the messages or to understand the reason John may have voiced his concerns.
I'm not anti-gun, certainly not well educated, or the grammar police. I think this whole thread has been misinterpreted.

I'm learning to shoot on Sunday. I have thoroughly enjoyed TFL and all that it has brought to my learning about firearms. Wish me luck.

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Old August 6, 1999, 11:12 AM   #25
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TFL has no official position on this topic, as it is merely cosmetic.

However, what does bother me, and actually PO's me are the accusations of PC. Quite a few people try to equate common courtesy and civilized self-discipline as PC.
Yes, TFL is "civilized" and is meant to be, we have worked to make it so...don't like it? Hit the road. If anything TFL is laxer than it used to be, but we maintain standards. Alot of the PC accussers are so upset with the recent court decision about the Boy Scouts, yet they whine because TFL has rules and standards, which were in place before they became members. Tell me how that is any different?

If you want pure freedom, go to Bower's board, not much gun talk but plenty of race, religion, personal bashing.

Oh yeah, if TFL were PC, it wouldn't exist....guns, RKBA, Conservative values aren't exactly PC are they?

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