November 24, 2008, 11:49 PM | #1 |
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PLR/SBR World's First?
Hey guys, here are the latest pics of "BattleAxe", the new SBR I built out of my Kel-Tec PLR-16.
I used the stock conversion from Kel-Tec made for the SU-16C rifle and added the MagPul CTR stock and Ace folder. As far as I know this is the first (only?) one of it's kind. Just installed the Ace folding block today. Makes for a lightweight, mean little package.
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November 25, 2008, 03:58 AM | #2 |
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Nice.
Its what Kel-Tec should have made to begin with. |
November 25, 2008, 05:45 AM | #3 |
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My PLR-16 will have the standard folding stock from Kel-Tec once my F1 comes back. Basically their SU16D9 model.
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November 25, 2008, 07:52 AM | #4 |
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Thanks.
Yeah, the D model is basically what I ended up with, except no chrome lined bbl on the PLR.
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November 25, 2008, 09:26 AM | #5 |
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Mine has my M4-1000 silencer on it, too. Even with the stock extended, the math works out to it being VERY short, and it should be very reliable and quiet too.
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November 25, 2008, 11:05 AM | #6 |
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Nice, very nice!
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I likey very very much. Nice work
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November 26, 2008, 10:42 PM | #8 |
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Curiously, where and how was it engraved? Would you mind posting a close-up pic of the engraving? (you can photochop your name)
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November 26, 2008, 10:45 PM | #9 |
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Still looking for an engraver. ATF said to get it done asap.
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November 26, 2008, 10:46 PM | #10 |
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I had mine engraved on the barrel - BATFE said it's legal even though it's under the handguard partially.
BADMAN400 If it's not engraved already, it's illegal. You should have it done ASAP. |
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I just picked up the .22lr version of your pistol, and want to do the same thing for an otpion for SBR other than the 10-22.
Keltec says they are out of the stock adapters with no time frame. |
November 27, 2008, 01:15 AM | #12 |
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PTK, I spoke with Nancy F. at the BATFE about the engraving to make sure I was not in jeopardy. She verified that there was no set time limit on getting the engraving done, but to just get it done as soon as I could.
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Nancy Flannigan should know better. It's a legal requirement that all NFA items that do not specifically hold an engraving variance be engraved in letters no smaller than 1/16" tall and at least 0.003" deep.
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There is no time limit contained in the phrase "you must". "You must" means just that - you MUST have the item engraved. Must. It's the law, friend. (and before you say "hey, I'm not a maker!" the form 1 was an application to MAKE a firearm per the 1934NFA.) |
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November 27, 2008, 08:01 AM | #14 |
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Yep, I have all of the same info.
I can use my pocket knife. I MUST get right on it.
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November 27, 2008, 09:18 AM | #15 |
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Joke all you'd like, the BATFE won't find your jokes funny enough to keep you out of court if you're caught with an unmarked NFA item.
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November 27, 2008, 09:49 AM | #16 |
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PTK, I was only trying to keep it lite instead of telling you to **** off and mind your own business. But since you won't let it go, understand this; I am a grown man, law abiding, a patriot, a father and a grandfather. I researched all the steps and found out the process with the help of some very knowledgeable people. So I do appreciate someone trying to help in a good natured spirit, but enough is enough. I will get my SBR engraved because it is the law. As for you, take a chill pill, quit trying to be someone else's father figure, and mind your own business!
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November 27, 2008, 09:57 AM | #17 |
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In so many words: I don't care what you do, think the NFA is entirely BS, but to post about things online that aren't quite legal... doesn't strike me as smart.
But, since this is America (and for that I am thankful!), it's fine by me, friend. Enjoy your new toy. I can hardly wait for my own F1 to come back! And again? VERY nice SBR. I'm thinking hard about doing something more along those lines than the D model, now... Last edited by PTK; November 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM. |
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PTK, you're right. I guess I should've played it a little closer to the belt, but I just try to be honest. I have made every attempt to verify that I'm OK until I get Orion to do the engraving. I have exchanged several emails with them and am in the process of satisfying the law's requirements. It will be done very soon.
I apologize for my last post on a personal level. Didn't mean to come on so strong. But I just felt pushed and I don't do as well with that as maybe I should sometimes. I am a member of several gun forums, some for over four years now and I believe that was the only "negative" sounding post I ever published. Stay safe out there, have a great Thanksgiving holiday, and enjoy the gun sports LEGALLY! Better?
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Orion Arms does a fantastic job of engraving. And for ~$40, you'll be quite happy.
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Now if I can just figure out where to put the engraving.
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November 27, 2008, 10:21 AM | #21 |
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"frame, receiver, or barrel". Easiest, since it's plastic, is the barrel. That's what I ended up doing.
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November 27, 2008, 10:25 AM | #22 |
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I'm thinking of having the name "BattleAxe" (with the image of an old viking battle axe), engraved on one side (on the receiver just below the EOTech), and my name (as maker), city & state, on the other.
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November 27, 2008, 10:30 AM | #23 |
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That'll work - make sure to specify having it engraved deeper than usual, so that it can't be rubbed off on accident.
(As for the funny name, I have "Man Handler" engraved on a single-shot 12ga pistol... ) |
December 3, 2008, 06:58 PM | #24 |
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But where does it say that installing a short barrel is "Making" a firearm? As in taking an AR-15 lower, paying the tax, and going thru an SOT FFL and doing the form 4? I'm being told that RRA MADE the firearm, they had it numbered. FFL now had it registered as a SBR and transferred it. no engraving necessary.
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December 3, 2008, 07:01 PM | #25 |
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In the case of a form 1 (which this PLR SBR is on), the act/title of the form is "Application to make and register a firearm".
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