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Old November 23, 2008, 11:27 PM   #1
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Mountain lions, Cougars, Panthers, Pumas, oh my!

All the same animal.. but

Whats the deal in Kalifornia?! Some of our deranged citizens voted to make it a protected species back in 1990. As I get more into hunting, I'm learning that this was one huge mistake and now it is threatening other prey species. We now have to pay DFG people to radio collar Sierra Nevada bighorn-sheep and the cougars in their area to monitor populations and then pay the DFG people to kill the cougars, instead of letting hunters PAY to take them. That is just one example. My friend has seen one in his back yard in here orange county.

I'm no mountain lion hunter or wildlife management expert, but it seems a little stupid to me. If there's nothing to keep the top predator in check it will proliferate and spread out as long as food can be found. Their main staple is wild deer, but farm raised animals, pets, and people seem to be acceptable to their palate. They hunt until they eat. If there are no deer... well what's next? Move and find some new food.
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Old November 24, 2008, 01:20 AM   #2
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Not quite as bad here in Oregon, but still bad. We lost the right to hunt the cats with hounds, and the population has exploded. Deer, meanwhile, are disappearing alarmingly. Cougars are being seen in town and suburbs.
We can still hunt them with a valid tag, but no dogs. It can be done, but it's hard. I called one up years ago while coyote calling, and always considered it a miricle. Guess we need to start working at it a lot more. jd
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Old November 24, 2008, 04:33 AM   #3
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If there's nothing to keep the top predator in check it will proliferate and spread out as long as food can be found.
And now you understand the overpopulation problem with humans.
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Old November 24, 2008, 06:52 AM   #4
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[/QUOTE]And now you understand the overpopulation problem with humans.
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How true!

Getting back to the cats, It's a shame we sit back and let the liberals pull off such BS when it comes to what we love so much.
We as hunters support and take care of most all animals in this Country, with that said here comes the liberals to help then they screw it up so bad it takes years to change back to what it should be to keep all the animals in the correct numbers to support all of them not just a single animal.
I for one am feed up with all the bull we have to stay up with to help keep this kind of thing from taking place, we all need to stand together and kick some butt every chance we get so this kind of agenda gets beat instead of passed.
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Old November 24, 2008, 09:14 AM   #5
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Emotion-based perceptions take precedence over facts, in the modern U.S. of A. The recent presidential campaigning gives proof of that, as does PETA membership.

I don't know if there is any hope for the Left Coast. Some years back, a cougar killed a woman near Sacramento. The cougar, a mother cat with two cubs, was then killed. People out there donated more money for care of the cubs than to the family of the dead woman...
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Old November 24, 2008, 09:21 AM   #6
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What happened In my state is that what should have been a decision by wildlife biologists, was made by popular vote. And as usual in our state and others, emotional, non-hunting urbanites outnmbered the folks who actually have experience and exposure with the situation.
Typical scenario is the news photo of a dead cougar surrounded by a pack of hounds and a smiling hunter. Granolies in the city think its a crime to kill such a beautiful and majestic cat like this, and if only they could prevent it they could go hiking and enjoy the presence of cougars in their own backyard.
Well that is starting to happen now. cougars are showing up litteraly in back yards, even in our cities which are often pretty forested. Maybe if enough granolies or their pets get consumed the political opinion will change, and our deer herds will recover jd
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Old November 25, 2008, 01:19 AM   #7
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Up at my ranch in Kansas, when we see them, we just kill em and bury them. Pretty common there, Shoot, Shovel, and SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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Old November 25, 2008, 01:39 AM   #8
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Kansas Dept. of Wild Life states that no sign of a Mtn. Lion has been found in modern times in Kansas. They state that no paw prints, photos, or bodies have been found in Kansas in recent history.
It is a little hard to understand when they have been found in some of the neighboring states.
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Old November 25, 2008, 01:51 AM   #9
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Redwing, Just ask WC.... He will tell you them biologists are 100% right... No big kats there....
That is the way of the 3 S's really works well.... Get the officials to play along
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Old November 25, 2008, 02:17 AM   #10
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Pray, or is that prey, for an earthquake. God, why isn't Nevada ocean front????
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Old November 25, 2008, 10:25 AM   #11
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That is why they are known locally as the fur and feathers Nazis. Until someone kills one and is stupid enough to put pictures of it in a local paper so that the Nazis can arrest them for shooting a protected species that they claim does not exist, it will remain as it is. Meanwhile, the landowners will continue with the SSS.

The farmers and ranchers have nothing to prove by lying about seeing the big cats. More so, numerous people would not come forth and lie about seeing the cats. The F&FN's have become so unpopular and distrusted, that people just do their own thing and no one tells the state employees anything. It has become the code to make the state employees unwelcome in our area.

Nope, didnt see nothin. Didnt hear nothin. By the way, you are tresspassin, aint your radio callin you?
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Old November 25, 2008, 11:21 AM   #12
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It's a shame we sit back and let the liberals pull off such BS
I am not sure anyone is letting the liberals do anything. The problems arise in California, and to some extent here in Oregon, due to the population imbalances - there are too many city dwellers who have no clue about a measure like this for the more rural occupants of the state to overcome it.

I agree we have to fight it, but at the end of the day you still have to convince a certain percentage of people that believe a city park is "nature" to vote your way.
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Old November 25, 2008, 12:36 PM   #13
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Just because you dont see any cougars around doesnt mean they dont see you:

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Old November 25, 2008, 12:43 PM   #14
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Deer, meanwhile, are disappearing alarmingly.
The deer population at my place is out of hand! Neighbor said she watched a mountain lion drag a deer away right before we moved in about 7 years ago, but I've seen no sign of them. They eat wild turkeys too?

How do I import one of these putty cats?
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Old November 25, 2008, 12:44 PM   #15
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Creature, I have seen that before but still when I do see it! If not photoshopped... that is Deer whos seconds in life are very limited...
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Old November 25, 2008, 03:35 PM   #16
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I can't vouch for it, but that picture is just so creepy...that I actually believe it is unaltered and the real deal.
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Old November 25, 2008, 03:46 PM   #17
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Just because you dont see any cougars around doesnt mean they dont see you:
I sometimes wonder if there aren't some cats around my place. With the deer population so high, we'd never notice when some went missing. Over the hill from me are larger properties, then open space in hilly, oak tree country between Napa and Fairfield. Seems like prime cat country to me.
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Old November 25, 2008, 04:40 PM   #18
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Grym, Put out a bowl of meow mix and if it is gone the next day than you surely have panthers!!!
we do not at this time have a viable population showing up but we have plenty of deer and pigs for them to eat.
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Old November 25, 2008, 05:49 PM   #19
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I agree we have to fight it, but at the end of the day you still have to convince a certain percentage of people that believe a city park is "nature" to vote your way.
Could be but I feel they have their own thoughts and I try my best to respect them even if I dont agree simply because I should.
With that said I also feel like they do not respect our views and need to start before things get out of hand. Personally I do not think that's to much to ask and I will gladly enforce what I feel is right until they learn to respect us for what we love. Not to meantion everyone is born a natural hunter until others change this natural ability.
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Old November 25, 2008, 06:12 PM   #20
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I'm no mountain lion hunter or wildlife management expert, but it seems a little stupid to me. If there's nothing to keep the top predator in check it will proliferate and spread out as long as food can be found. Their main staple is........
Sounds like you're getting the left figured out. The activists who got the law passed don't want you to be allowed to hunt ANYTHING. And they're working on that, too.

Whether it's the Greens that would outlaw hunting, or the anti-gunners that protect the predators by creating gun free zones, you don't fight their ideology with simple logic. Logic doesn't drive their machine, nor does it defeat them.

Just my thoughts on the matter. Some may disagree.
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Old November 26, 2008, 12:59 AM   #21
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if i ever see one im shooting it and throwing that damn animal in the creek
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Old November 26, 2008, 08:44 AM   #22
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Just because the cougar was being a cougar doing cougar things?
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Old November 26, 2008, 09:21 AM   #23
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I've seen one in Washington state and one in Arizona, in my pre-gun owning granola eating college student days.

Made me respect what I could accomplish with a gun versus what I could accomplish without one... and started me down the road of examining self-preservation/self-determination/conservatism/libertarianism.

I'm grateful for what I learned from those two cats.

But man, were they scary in the middle of the night, full of righteous fury that I was in their territory!

Since then, I buy a cat tag over the counter every year in AZ just in case of another run-in, but I don't think it's ever likely. Those two fellows taught me something and now they're done... no reason to talk to me anymore. They'll go and scare some other libtard-ecohugger into examining his/her priorities and outlook on the world.
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Old November 26, 2008, 09:36 AM   #24
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Never got the displeasure of hearing one in the woods but I am sure it will cause uncontrolled bodily function like constricted hair follicles and unconstricted sphinter muscle But I did care for a guys "cat yard" and he had several each of most of what we call "exotic cats" and man they got a voice you will never forget! Now picture a female in heat and 2 male cougars yellin at each other all night from their cages... And her sounding like she is dieing!
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Old November 26, 2008, 09:49 AM   #25
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Most states with a healthy cougar population have provisions to hunt cougars legally; except CA I guess.
The nature of the beast makes them verrrry tough to outsmart without dogs. I read an article once in one of the popular hunting rags that gave some interesting findings from cougar studies at that time.- this was in the 90's - They said that about 7% of avid outdoorsmen ever see a cougar in their lifetime. It also said that the cats seemed to prefer killing a mature buck deer when given the choice. - so much for the sick and weak theory- I believe they made a kll every three days or so, and I'll quit here before I start making things up. I'd enjoy being corrected on these figures if anyone has more recent and accurate info.
These cats, as a trophy, would rank as top of the list for challenge and proof of skill. They also aren't bad to eat. We all oughta do what we can to reduce the population. jd
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